mintygood's NA D series build (300hp turbo after college!)

[mintygood]

Hey all! Some of you know what my build plans for this little z6 are but for those of you who don't here's the deal. I picked up a z6 engine from Ransom a week or so ago with a spun bearing. Plan to completely rebuild with eagle rods and vitara pistons among other misc things. I'm still researching the different types of turbos so that is still up in the air. After the block is built and the turbo is pieced together I will swap it into my EG hatch and HOPEFULLY get 300 whp once it's all said and done.

While all of that is in the works, I'm working on a Si tranny for a A->M conversion in my hatch.

I don't have any pics of the engine but I do have some pics of the car, A->M swap parts, and the tranny teardown.

Here is the specimen for the project:
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/P5290085.jpg
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/P5290095.jpg

All of the A->M parts:
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/P5290099.jpg

Tranny:
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/P5290100.jpg

Innovative A->M tranny mount:
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/P5290082.jpg
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/P5290083.jpg
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/P5290084.jpg

Back seats I traded to Ransom for the z6...Hope you like them!
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/P5290098.jpg

Tonight I *tried* to open up the tranny but gave up after I wasn't able to get the 32mm sealing bolt unscrewed...Also found this when I drained the tranny fluid...
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/Photo11.jpg
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/Photo12.jpg




Hope you guys keep checking back...hopefully will start engine tear down on monday. I'll keep ya'll posted.

[jcoosi]

Good luck on the build
I have a BNIB comp cam if you are interested pm me http://www.tennspeed.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10473

[mintygood]

Good luck on the build
I have a BNIB comp cam if you are interested pm me http://www.tennspeed.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10473

Thanks for checking out the build!

I'm going to keep the head stock for now aside from a good cleaning and new valve seals. I'll hit you up though if I change my mind.

[HedTrip]

u might wanna new tranny lol

[mintygood]

u might wanna new tranny lol
yeah that thought crossed my mind...depressing

[Ransom]

Some of that shit looks familiar..lol... That damn tranny!! It drove fine. Crack her open and see whats up, prolly just needs an input shaft bearing.

[mintygood]

Some of that shit looks familiar..lol... That damn tranny!! It drove fine. Crack her open and see whats up, prolly just needs an input shaft bearing.

and new gears....lol

who knows what those chunks are though...hoping to got its something dumb like a bearing but if its gears the thing is just going to the trash..or a hybrid tranny rebuild...who knows

[Ransom]

I cant really tell from the pics, but i dought its pieces of gears. More so pieces of the input or main shaft bearings.

[mintygood]

I cant really tell from the pics, but i dought its pieces of gears. More so pieces of the input or main shaft bearings.

That's what I'm thinking too but we'll see.

Worse comes to worse I replace some gears and do a Si/ZC hybrid tranny.

I'm about to take some more pics before work. Check back.

[Ventolin]

Worse comes to worse I replace some gears and do a Si/ZC hybrid tranny.

Hell yeah! Sounds like a friends build, hes using Tuner Toys rods and Vitaras. Hes hoping for mid 300s or better... SOHC_Mshue on Honda-Tech if you're ever in the forced induction forum over there.

He'll be using a T04e 57 trim I believe.

[mintygood]

H-T people scare me :P

I know the concept behind turbos but I still have A LOT to learn about the different sizes and all of that shit. D-series.org has been pretty helpful...some dude pushing 741 hp i think on a z6 :thumbup:

[Ventolin]

I'm sure hes there, too. When we were both kids I was a dumbass trying to make my hatch clean... meanwhile he spent all his money on turbo parts. Still has the same car and its been through more than a few motors and setups, all SOHC though.

[mintygood]

Haha true Dseries fan.

I'm just looking forward to taking it to the track and having people ask me to pop the hood only to see a tiny SOHC D series :)

[HedTrip]

ive been running Tuner Toys rods and Vitaras pistons in my crx for 6 months, so far so good! right now im running just a lil t25
making roughly 200 hp. but im in the middle of piecing together another setup, looking for a 16G hoping for 300 hp
(300 hp + 1900 lb car = weeeee)

[mintygood]

Here we go.

z6 sitting on my floor:
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/6-1.jpg
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/5-1.jpg

Nasty Head:
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/2-1.jpg

Valve cover about to get prepped and painted:
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/7-1.jpg

4 bucks at sears....what a life saver:
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/1-1.jpg

Broke the Dizzy cap when I hit the cat:
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/4-1.jpg
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/P6220031.jpg

And the bastard tranny from hell :P
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/8-1.jpg


Now I'm off to work to make some more money for this damned project

[mintygood]

was checking out Tuner Toys rods.....about 100 cheaper and people say that they are just as good as eagle rods...

anyone have experience with tuner toys rods?

[AaronD]

Ready to see this build get rolling, once my Talon's motor is done, I plan on building a z6 for my hatch so I will definitely be looking for perspective on your build.. Let me know if you ever need a second hand or anything, I would love to help.

[mintygood]

Ready to see this build get rolling, once my Talon's motor is done, I plan on building a z6 for my hatch so I will definitely be looking for perspective on your build.. Let me know if you ever need a second hand or anything, I would love to help.

Thanks for checking out the thread. This is a work in progress so I'm sure I'll be giving ya a call one of these days for some help :)

[delsolsituner]

Theres a bunch of good vids on Youtube of Z6s putting down 485hp at the wheel. and more. Alot of em have there mod lists and all info . Good resource for this build. jus my 2cent.

[mintygood]

Theres a bunch of good vids on Youtube of Z6s putting down 485hp at the wheel. and more. Alot of em have there mod lists and all info . Good resource for this build. jus my 2cent.

Pretty much have all of the parts for the engine itself picked out already...Just did some research for Tuner Toy rods and they looked like the better choice. But I will defiantly check it out for some turbo setups....still need to do A LOT of research turbo-wise.

I'll post up a detailed list of the changes and parts I will be installing tomorrow if I remember lol.


Thanks for checking out the thread!

[mintygood]

Was too lazy to list all of the parts I'm getting but I did get the fucking head studs to come loose and got the block on the stand.

Surprisingly it had an engine full of oil which is good I suppose....no oil burning FTW (not like it matters since I'm getting new pistons w/ rings but w/e)

Taking the head over to Mitch's house this weekend hopefully so he can remove the valve springs so I can soak it in purple power and get it nice and shiny.


Pics tomorrow maybe! :P

[kennedy3323]

Nice! Keep it up.

[mintygood]

Hey all.

Couldn't find any batteries for my camera so no pics of the engine for now.


I did find some interesting stuff on the intarweb about hybrid trannys.

Since I will have to rebuild my tranny I might as well make it as efficient as possible. My plan so far is to keep the 1st and 2nd si gears, add 3rd and 4th ZC gears, and add the 0.702 5th from the Dx tranny. The reason I chose this setup is because I want short 1-4 for quick acceleration and a long ass 5th so I can cruise at a low RPM (fuck gas prices).

I still have a lot of research to do tranny wise. I want to make sure that a shift at 7,200 RPM from 4th will still keep me at full spool for when I go into 5th....hope that made sense.

Critique is always welcome. Thanks for looking!

[HedTrip]

wouldn't it be cheaper & easyer to just buy a dx tranny.
with being turbo'ed u would just blow threw the si gears way to fast .
thats one of the problems im having, & it's alot harder on the clutch.

[mintygood]

wouldn't it be cheaper & easyer to just buy a dx tranny.
with being turbo'ed u would just blow threw the si gears way to fast .
thats one of the problems im having, & it's alot harder on the clutch.

Hmmm never really thought of it like that....wouldn't i get full spool faster with the Si tranny though?

[HedTrip]

yea for 1 sec & then u would have to shift gears.
& u will spin threw most of it lol

[mintygood]

yeah but when i shift i will not lose as much spool as i would if i shifted with a dx....

si leaves you at a higher rpm after you shift.


idk, I've done a lot of research on this on D-series.org and almost all of them say that the dx is full of fail.

[mintygood]

DX
1st----3.250---0000/6800---34.8mph
2nd---1.761---3685/6800---64.3mph
3rd----1.172---4526/6800---96.9mph
4th----0.909---5274/6800---124.5mph
5th----0.702---5251/6800---161.3mph

Si/EX
1st----3.250---0000/7200---35.2mph
2nd---1.900---4209/7200---60.2mph
3rd----1.250---4739/7200---91.6mph
4th----0.909---5236/7200---125.9mph
Choose your 5th
5th----0.702---5560/7200---163.0mph
5th----0.750---5941/7200---152.6mph
5th----0.771---6107/7200---148.4mph

[venom_5]

do it properly - run the calculations - graph torque vs. mph through all gears (overlay) ... find intersections for shift points ... then voila!

here's an example:

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/4766/gearingdataif2.png
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/2665/torquecurvesri0.png

if that doesnt make sense - ill try to explain it better - but im sure its described in detail on the intarwebz somewhere ...

the only issue we ran into when i did those initial calculations was - could the suspension/tires handle putting all the torque to the ground? if they cant, then youre not gonna get optimum anything ... but you know how to deal with that :D

[mintygood]

Awesome, Venom.

Extremely detailed....did all of that just get spit out after some dyno pulls???



I just don't want to keep on buying trannys only to find that one of them "feels" less than optimal.

The car will not be sitting on stock suspension and tires for long!!

:)


On a side note, I'm currently in chatt right now at my college orientation so no pic updates for a while (sorry!)

Hopefully I will take some tomorrow?



thanks for everyone's input

[venom_5]

actually - yes, more or less...

i was given 2007 dyno data (and we assumed that our 2008 build would not be a significant change, which was more or less true) - the data was simply Horsepower Curves, Torque Curves, and MPH ... same you get from any other dyno

since we were using a Honda CBR600 engine, i did that garbage with the countershaft & drive sprocket up top ... and the primary reduction ... and with all that, i can make that first graph:

A table for each gear, showing the MPH Value - RPM Value - HP Value and TQ Value .... the MPH Value is the only thing changing, which is a function of the gear youre in, the other 3 values are copy/paste as you see ...

Then i was able to graph Torque for each gear on the same graph (solid colored lines - they are the same for every gear, obviously ... just translated right accordingly) .... and then graphed the lines representing RPM vs MPH for each gear (dotted lines)

once youve done this, you find the intersection between the 1st and 2nd Torque curves ... make a point ... go directly down from that point until you hit the straight (dotted) line representing 1st gear, and make another point ... go directly left from that point and read off the correct RPM value that is your "optimum" shift point .... these points should be the same for almost every gear - and if that value does not work with your setup (if the turbo isnt gonna be spooled, or whatever) then you need to adjust your setup

the same can be done for HP instead of Torque, but since its generally agreed that TQ is what gets you going where you need to be, thats what we go by @ VU Motorsports!

sorry for the lengthy posts, but i hope this helps with build selection

[mintygood]

The more detailed the post the better.

Research will never end :)


thanks a lot!

[mintygood]

Just sold my iPod for $250 (woot).

Also took off the oil pan. Gave it a good cleaning and only found some metal shavings...no big chunks. Wasn't able to go any further than that today because I wasn't able to get some bolts un done....I need a bigger breaker bar....20" isn't cutting it.

[sil84]

looking good keep us updated with lots of pics. :thumbup:

[mintygood]

Eh I'm still looking for batteries!! haha. I guess I'll have to suck it up and go buy some.

Here is what I'm hoping to avoid on my first trip to the track :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORV0agm1Vzk&NR=1

thanks you guys for checking back!

[mintygood]

HOLY SHIT PIC UPDATE!

Finally found some batteries so I went outside to snap some pics before work.

Here is the head:
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/P6290032.jpg
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/P6290033.jpg
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/P6290034.jpg
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/P6290035.jpg
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/P6290036.jpg
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/P6290037.jpg
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/P6290038.jpg
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/P6290039.jpg
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/P6290040.jpg

VTAK!!!@@#!!:
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/P6290041.jpg

Block:
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/P6290045.jpg

Full engine of oil :thumbup: :
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/P6290047.jpg

Crank assembly:
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/P6290048.jpg
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/P6290051.jpg

Here you can kind of see where the bearing is spun...if you notice there is a lot of play where the rod meets crank:
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/P6290049.jpg
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/P6290050.jpg

Here are the cylinders:
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/P6290052.jpg
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/P6290056.jpg

NO LIP!!!! YAY:
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/P6290054.jpg

Recently Honed????:
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/P6290053.jpg
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/P6290055.jpg

Here is the oil pan I cleaned up:
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/P6290043.jpg
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/P6290044.jpg

My arsenal for cleaning the head....Hopefully I'll get over to Mitch's one of these days so he can remove the valve springs:
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/tubasam1/P6290057.jpg

[HedTrip]

thats not looking to hott lol
u gunna have it cleaned & honed?

mine looked about like yours.
but this is 60$ later
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/HedtriP/crx/240andyugo069.jpg
:thumbup:

[mintygood]

I thought it looked pretty good myself....but oh well. I was just glad that there was no lip and that there were no lateral scratches on the cylinder walls.

Yes, getting it cleaned, bored 0.020, and honed :thumbup:

Who did that for you??

[HedTrip]

richmands in clarksville .

[mintygood]

It looks good but did the do a pro job?

[HedTrip]

what do u mean?

[mintygood]

Was just asking if it was professionally done....all the clearances check out etc.

[mintygood]

UPDATE ON PARTS:

I think I'm going to suck it up and spend 100 extra bucks on the fjt custom length I-beam rods. When using TT, Eagle or any other standard length rod with vitaras they sit 2mm below deck which makes the turbo do more work to get the same hp and causes more stress on the cylinder walls...input?

thanks for checking it out!

[HedTrip]

oh no. i did it myself.

[mintygood]

you said richmonds did it...


Found a t3/t4 50 trim for 200 bucks..going to look at it tomorrow

[HedTrip]

yea they did the honing & cleaning & i built it.

[mintygood]

pics page 2 for those who pissed them...

took my head over to Mitch (nskforlife)'s house and got the valve springs removed so now its ready for cleaning :thumbup:

[mintygood]

in the process of taking the tranny apart...

Damage so far:
2-3 bad bearings
destroyed shift fork

Currently waiting a few because the hex bolt in the clutch housing is siezed up so I sprayed some WD40 on it and tapped it with a hammer. Going to wait about 10 mins and see if it will come off this time.

Pics of the havoc later!




PS...thinking about going NA so I can have some money left over for college.....$0.02?

[sil84]

in the process of taking the tranny apart...

Damage so far:
2-3 bad bearings
destroyed shift fork

Currently waiting a few because the hex bolt in the clutch housing is siezed up so I sprayed some WD40 on it and tapped it with a hammer. Going to wait about 10 mins and see if it will come off this time.

Pics of the havoc later!




PS...thinking about going NA so I can have some money left over for college.....$0.02?

that is why i sold my turbo kit so i could bills due to college. so it wouldn't be a bad idea you can also do a boost build after college. :thumbup:

[mintygood]

in the process of taking the tranny apart...

Damage so far:
2-3 bad bearings
destroyed shift fork

Currently waiting a few because the hex bolt in the clutch housing is siezed up so I sprayed some WD40 on it and tapped it with a hammer. Going to wait about 10 mins and see if it will come off this time.

Pics of the havoc later!




PS...thinking about going NA so I can have some money left over for college.....$0.02?

that is why i sold my turbo kit so i could bills due to college. so it wouldn't be a bad idea you can also do a boost build after college. :thumbup:

yeah that's what i was thinking....could use p29 pistons with stock rods and after college I could just buy tunertoy rods and vitaras and have a turbo block :thumbup:

Also, just finished up dissassembling the tranny. The damage isn't too bad...just have to replace shift forks and input shaft bearing....everything else looks good. Also currently considering buying a ZC tranny for 250 so I could add the 3rd and 4th gears from that to my Si tranny.

[mintygood]

head is soaking in purple power and water (1:1)

rust can't form with out oxygen right? currently sitting totally submerged.

[Mitch Detailed]

UPDATE ON PARTS:

I think I'm going to suck it up and spend 100 extra bucks on the fjt custom length I-beam rods. When using TT, Eagle or any other standard length rod with vitaras they sit 2mm below deck which makes the turbo do more work to get the same hp and causes more stress on the cylinder walls...input?

thanks for checking it out!

you could just deck the block 2mm, that IS an option... :wink:

and you'll be straight on the rust, i used 1:1 and added some dawn dish detergent and let mine soak for a week no problem...

[Eric]

head is soaking in purple power and water (1:1)

rust can't form with out oxygen right? currently sitting totally submerged.




well... basic chem lesson


whats the molecular structure of water? h2o right? 1 hydrogen atom and 2 oxygen atoms


therefore water contains oxygen so its possible that rust can form underwater.... dunno how the Purple Power would affect it though


/smartass

[Mitch Detailed]

head is soaking in purple power and water (1:1)

rust can't form with out oxygen right? currently sitting totally submerged.

well... basic chem lesson
whats the molecular structure of water? h2o right? 1 hydrogen atom and 2 oxygen atoms
therefore water contains oxygen so its possible that rust can form underwater.... dunno how the Purple Power would affect it though
/smartass

first hand experience man. i dont know how long he plans on keeping it submerged, but i have no issues with mine and it sat in there over a week. i would throw some in a jug and throw an aluminum pan in there to see how long it takes if you'd like me to.
/smarterass :lol:

[Eric]

good job I thought someone would get all butthurt about it

[mintygood]

lol it's straight...i soaked the head in the purple power and water and no rust...but then i washed it off with water and didn't dry it off well enough so some of the spring seats are starting to rust DOH. oh well just going to take a wire brush dremel bit to them and they should be good to go. Head looks good for the first soak....I would say 80% of the shit is off...more later

[Mitch Detailed]

lol it's straight...i soaked the head in the purple power and water and no rust...but then i washed it off with water and didn't dry it off well enough so some of the spring seats are starting to rust DOH. oh well just going to take a wire brush dremel bit to them and they should be good to go. Head looks good for the first soak....I would say 80% of the shit is off...more later

lmao your'e retarded man. dont do that.spray some wd-40 and let them soak, then wipe them off if you take a dremel or a wire brush to the seats you are removing material thats supposed to be there. springs only have soo much lift.. .

[mintygood]

thanks for the tips :thumbup:

[Mitch Detailed]

thanks for the tips :thumbup:
np, :thumbup:

[mintygood]

got my rebuild kit in the mail today :thumbup:

came with:
-P29 75.5mm
- NPR Piston rings
-Timing Belt
-Water Pump
-ACL Rod Bearings
-ACL Main Bearings
-ACL Thrust washers
-Full engine Gasket & Seals set


Going to use the ACL bearings for all standard needs...if there are any other sizes that the block calls for then I'll just buy the oems.



All in all everything looks good...All I need to do to get started is borrow Mitch's tool to get the crank pully off and then I can ship the block to the machine shop.


NOOB QUESTION: How do I remove the stock pistons from the rods? Is heating the rod with a propane torch the correct procedure?? *note: using the stock rods with the pistons since I am going NA until I get some money after college*


Thanks guys! pics later, yo!

[Laosakademiks]

to get the pistons off the rod, im pretty positive you have to have them pressed out because oem wrist pins are pressed. and i would honestly think you'll be happier if you spent a little extra on rods, rods arent something to really skimp on especially on d-series rods. but if you have your mind set on using stock rods..look into upgrading to arp rod bolts at the least.
and a reminder if you didnt know already, when you do your bore and hone, make sure you give them the pistons and rings also so they can properly hone and assign the pistons to the right cylinder.

follow the rule of thumb..do it right the first time so you dont have to do it a 2nd time, or do it right the first time or dont do it at all.or spend your money once instead of wasting it a 2nd time....i could go on and on.lol hope that helps :thumbup:

[mintygood]

Thanks for the input but I've done a lot of research parts wise so I'm pretty sure that I'm set. The z6 rods are good to about 210-220 Hp and to be honest I would be happy if I got 140 :thumbup:

I would buy some TT rods or something like that but I'm not going to touch nitrous and I should be only running 11.5:1-12:1 on 93 so I should be good.



Also looking for a reputable machine shop. Anyone have any good experiences with any within 30 mins of Nashville?

[mintygood]

yeah I accidentally said boost instead of nitrous in my last post but the plan is to build a reliable NA motor while I'm in college and once I get out I will replace the pistons and rods and piece together a turbo kit if finances allow :thumbup:

[Aquafina]

Didn't ready much after the first post. Those pieces are from a shifter fork which you'll have to replace. When gear teeth break off, they stick to the magnet.

[mintygood]

in the process of taking the tranny apart...

Damage so far:
2-3 bad bearings
destroyed shift forks
[/b]

[mintygood]

Bit of an update...Just installed exhaust valves with the new seals :thumbup:

BTW I can't remember which springs are which for the D-series.......

There are springs that when you look at them from the side the ends of the springs end at the same spot and there are springs where, if looking from the same angle, start and end at different places....


If I remember correctly the springs that start and end at different spots are exhaust....correct me if I'm wrong? NOT IN HELMS yo

[mintygood]

completely unrelated to my engine build but I just wired up my fog lights to come on when i turn the car on and go off when I take the key out :thumbup:

[mintygood]

sending block and crank to napa on monday..


just ordered some arp head studs and tuner toy rods....hurt to spend the money but the block will be solid :thumbup:


pics if i can find my god damn camera!

[mintygood]

Of course I made a mistake ordering parts....

I ordered the rods at like 2am and didn't check if they weren't floating or press rods...sigh

just wasted 60 bucks on tuner toys "restocking" fee.

bullshit

[Sagostino]

i was gunna build my d series for boost but started searching it and dohc zc FULLY built and tuned on 11 p.s.i put down 180whp and i couldnt find anything any higher search youtube..im just gunne start buying everything for a b-series swap i love all motor and honestly i think your money would be better spent that way

[mintygood]

only spent 400 so far. Also got tuner toys to take the rods back without the 20% restocking fee so no harm done there.

Block, crank, pistons, and rods are at Mark at napa and he is working on them.

Block:
Bore
Hone
Resurfacing the deck

Crank:
Just cleaning it now to see if it is any good

Pistons:
Attaching to rods

Rods:
Getting them cleaned up and conditioned as well as getting the big ends to uniform sizes.

said ballpark: $200-300

[mintygood]

AH!

Just drove down to chatt and moved into my dorm. I've been so busy so I have neglected this thread...but I'm bringing it back from the dead!



I got the block back from Mark at napa. Looks great...nice and clean with a 0.020 bore.

Also put some HX wheels that I bought from sil84 on my hatch. They are stripped right now and have some curb rash so they look a little rough but I'm going to repair the curb rash and paint them gun metal.


What color should I paint my block....I was thinking either a flat clean black or an obnoxious gold with gold sparkles lol.

$0.02?

[HedTrip]

please not gold lol

[LiveLife2ItsFullest]

do a different color.. everyone has just the grey or black and i have seen a few gold.. go with a color that is goin to match your car.. like me for instance my car is going to be silver and blue and i wiould do my block blue :) lol

[mintygood]

yeah the gold wouldn't look good with my future color scheme....

mugen yellow baby :)


I do want something different though and now is the perfect time to paint since its just a bare block right now.

[laosman]

white. but it can be grey and black also depending how good you keep it cleaned xD
________
Colorado Dispensaries (http://colorado.dispensaries.org/)

[mintygood]

yeah I'm not going to be cleaning my motor so white will be a hell no lol.....perhaps i could paint the car black, bronze wheels, bronze block?

[mintygood]

just got my cf spoon replicas for hardcore weight reductioN!!!

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/3854/p8180082ve4.jpg

[sil84]

awww fake spoon mirrors welcome to the club :lol: :lol: :lol:

i kinda wish i would have got the cf ones now. lets see some pics of them on the car. :thumbup:

[mintygood]

yeah probably going to install them today so I'll post up some pics. If the CF looks remotely good with my future cf hood and duck bill then ill keep it but if not I'll just paint them black or red.

not sure if CF stuff would look good with satin black paint job =/

[mintygood]

just installed them in the parking lot lol. the fitment is surprisingly good but the cf looks pretty back with everything else being milano red lol

pics later?

[mintygood]

what do you guys think of satin paint job with cf hood, lip, mirrors, and duckbill.

$0.02?

[jdmpwr07]

D series FTW...nice to see you building it up :thumbup:

[mintygood]

D series FTW...nice to see you building it up :thumbup:
thanks :thumbup:

going to drive back to franklin after class on friday to pick up my rods/pistons and crank from mark at napa :)

[Mitch Detailed]

what do you guys think of satin paint job with cf hood, lip, mirrors, and duckbill.

$0.02?

umm man. did you see my hatch when you came over?

satin = ugly

[mintygood]

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/vtecdis/NEWSHIT/civic.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v675/shearinfinity/DSCN0890.jpg
http://www.exoticcarsite.com/pictures/tuners/novitec/f430-tunero/novitec-f430-tunero-6.jpg
http://www.exoticcarsite.com/pictures/tuners/novitec/f430-tunero/novitec-f430-tunero-7.jpg
http://www.exoticcarsite.com/pictures/tuners/novitec/f430-tunero/novitec-f430-tunero-17.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd129/Road_Rage_Photos/nissanLaurel1976021.jpg
http://www.crankshafted.com/upload/files/13/Dieselstation-FiveAxis-010.jpg
http://www.crankshafted.com/upload/files/13/Dieselstation-FiveAxis-011.jpg
http://www.crankshafted.com/upload/files/13/Dieselstation-FiveAxis-008.jpg

[mintygood]

went back to franklin from chatt on friday to pick up my rods/pistons and crank....look good, mark did a great job.

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/5149/p8240085qg6.jpg
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/7749/p8240086lz9.jpg

:thumbup:

[mintygood]

Alright well I have a question about my car and I guess I'll ask it here since there is no general.

For a while when I would drive around 75-85 for a sustained time I would get a scratching/squeaking sound that sounded similar if you rubbed a quarter on a pane of glass. This sound would go away when I lightly put on the brakes. Now the sound is much worse and pushing the brakes does not make it go away.

Have done zero brake work since I got the car 3 years ago (when I was 15 my dad said the brakes looked fine and I never bothered to even give a shit lol)

Thanks!

[sil84]

i would say it is your brake pads down to the wear indicators. :thumbup:

[mintygood]

word, thanks sil :D

[sil84]

it's all good when you do the brakes make sure and check the rotors and have them turned.

i would rub my finger down one of the rotors and fell for deep lines in it if you fell very deep lines worn in i would go ahead and get some new rotor also they are only about 30 each at auto zone/advance or where ever. :thumbup: :thumbup:

[xrannie]

car's lookin great man- i had no idea you knew napa mark- he's w/us now on vacation (& in my wild west pics)
saved the day quite a few times for us....

[ELI]

:thumbup:

[Race_Breed_2.0]

i like the satin look

[mintygood]

thanks for the comments guys.

I have been lazy as fuck with the build because I am trying to stay focused on school and post whoring. Currently waiting on a torque wrench so I can start putting it together...also need to find out if z6 bearings will work with a y8 crank.

Hopefully after my engine is in I will get with sil to paint this mufucka

[HedTrip]

the bearings will work.

[HedTrip]

the bearings will work.

[civilized_drifter]

mintygood whats your name?

[mintygood]

mintygood whats your name?
It's me sam! lol how have things been anthony?

[mintygood]

the bearings will work.

thanks dude...thought they might not be interchangeable since the y8 has 1 oil hole and the z6 has 2...

[KillerRabbit]

Clean, btw what rods you running? They look like stock rods, or are those eagle rods? If they are stock i am pretty sure you took the initiative to shot peen them at least since they will only hold around 200-250. Good luck with the build, cant wait to see it in a car.

[mintygood]

Clean, btw what rods you running? They look like stock rods, or are those eagle rods? If they are stock i am pretty sure you took the initiative to shot peen them at least since they will only hold around 200-250. Good luck with the build, cant wait to see it in a car.

nope they are just stock rods and I didn't shot peen them. This will be an NA setup so I will be surprised if I get 140 out of it....when I have some more money I'm going to rebuild again with vitaras and tuner toy rods. Stock should be good for NA :)

[KillerRabbit]

im pulling 151whp with my D16y8. so it depends on your setup. I should have saved and done a swap. but i like the throttle response

[mintygood]

im pulling 151whp with my D16y8. so it depends on your setup. I should have saved and done a swap. but i like the throttle response
well thats probably because y8s have naturally higher comp because of a smaller combustion chamber. I just chose to build the D because I was tired of looking for a fucking b18. Plus D series stuff is cheap :)

After tune I was toying around with the idea of slapping a 50 shot of nitrous on it...not sure yet...have to finish building the engine first lol

[RaverJDM]

dude good luck with the whole project lol
if you need any help im here lol

but i dont know how to do any real work ....but i love to watch cars being built and i learn quick lol

good luck post some more pics of the project when you make more progress lol

[mintygood]

dude good luck with the whole project lol
if you need any help im here lol

but i dont know how to do any real work ....but i love to watch cars being built and i learn quick lol

good luck post some more pics of the project when you make more progress lol

thanks dude, this summer I'll be needing some help with wire tuck and engine bay clean up. I'll buy ya lunch and a 6 pack of beer :thumbup:

[RaverJDM]

totally sounds good with me man lol

cars+food+beer= priceless lol

[sil84]

you know i will help you wire tuck and paint but not for free. :P

[KillerRabbit]

you are right my d16y8 has a comp ratio of 11.5:1. i put ZC pistons in mine and i also ran a 100 shot on mine. i will NEVER DO THAT AGAIN. i raced a T/A LS1 and beat it but i was extremely scared of throwing another rod. dont put a 100 shot on it like i did, that would be stupid

tuning is key also!!

[mintygood]

yeah after it's built and I buy the nitrous kit its going straight to carma..

[KillerRabbit]

Extremely good choice sir. if you need some parts, i have stuff lying around so let me know if you are missing anything.

[mintygood]

need an si tranny that isnt fucked to hell

[KillerRabbit]

I have a y8 trans, good upgrade since it has a steel shift fork instead of a aluminum one. It has been rebuilt by Gearspeed! new gearspeed carbon coated synchros, a brand new LSD put in and all gears have been cryo'ed. i paid way to much for the trans and decided to not do my build and instead do a k24/k20 hybrid.

[mintygood]

I have a y8 trans, good upgrade since it has a steel shift fork instead of a aluminum one. It has been rebuilt by Gearspeed! new gearspeed carbon coated synchros, a brand new LSD put in and all gears have been cryo'ed. i paid way to much for the trans and decided to not do my build and instead do a k24/k20 hybrid.

are you selling this sexy chunk of underage goodness?

[mintygood]

so my RA found my engine.....apparently my engine is not allowed in the dorm rooms because it is considered "flammable material"........

Of course I took this up with the residence director and explained to him that metal is not flammable and I told him to fail less....so now my engine is legit and my fucking RA has to deal with my engine stand in the middle of the room.

owned

[Dude]

Hahaha, sweet.
Engine in a dorm room eh?
Sounds like something I would do.
My kitchen is half garage already...

[mintygood]

Hahaha, sweet.
Engine in a dorm room eh?
Sounds like something I would do.
My kitchen is half garage already...
yeah dude dorm build ftw....gotta keep from getting laid somehow -_-

[d_j140]

nice build dude :thumbup: :thumbup:

[mintygood]

nice build dude :thumbup: :thumbup:
thanks, man. :thumbup:

[mintygood]

just ran into about 400 extra bucks from selling my laptop so I think I'll be buying exhaust and struts :thumbup:

who wants to help me install :D

[flatwhitecrx]

Dude, I need to come down there and check this little monster out :thumbup:

[mintygood]

Dude, I need to come down there and check this little monster out :thumbup:
not sure you're ready for the b7

[flatwhitecrx]

Im not sure either ha.
Are you in UTC place?

[mintygood]

nah, Johnson village.

btw you know any exhaust places around here that are pretty good/price effective....I think I'm going to overnight the muffler I want and have them do a whole new exhaust since I have a huge leak right before where my muffler starts

[mintygood]

vibrant stealth:
http://www.clubrsx.com/graphics/00000001/1145.jpg

[flatwhitecrx]

na dude, I don't know any places around here. I have only lived here since the beginning of this semester

[mintygood]

this is the sound i want:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ydv6BXQkk1s

[pittyinSC]

This is a good sound

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy3oa2TLhk8&feature=related


kidding

[mintygood]

I love the description:

"dis wat u call jdm fuc c all da ugly muffler shit all about da guted cat and straight pipe cuddy "

can someone translate?

[pittyinSC]

I love the description:

"dis wat u call jdm fuc c all da ugly muffler shit all about da guted cat and straight pipe cuddy "

can someone translate?

For people's

This is my JDM muffler, which is ugly. My cat is gutted and is straight piped except for having a muffler.

[mintygood]

that's not just for white people, it's for everyone who has an IQ above 70

[pittyinSC]

Ninja edit

[mintygood]

literal translation:
dis wat u call jdm fuc c all da ugly muffler shit all about da guted cat and straight pipe cuddy
this what you call JDM fuck(?) see all the ugly muffler shit all about the gutted catalytic converter and straight pipe (no translation for cuddy)

[flatwhitecrx]

Sam, when are you update this?
Have you even gotten the motor out of your dorm yet? hah

[capone]

i love this exhaust

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CidQjM2C8Y

[Deentwon]

i love this exhaust

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CidQjM2C8Y

thats good to no tyler...

lol

[capone]

they were talkin about exhausts up their homo! lol

[Deentwon]

yea dud already said wat he was gettin no one needed your 2 cents
lol jp dude

[spoolie]

bwhahahahahahhaahha sam is a faggot...krystin owns off topic now bitches.

[jdmpwr07]

Updates?

[mintygood]

god bitches be shittin up my build thread.


ok the status of the build is this. About to buy a torque wrench so I can put the engine together. I have everything just basically need to put it together.

Also hoping to buy spoolies muffler or something and get exhaust done while I'm in town.

I own off topic

[FNEG]

i have two torque wrenches you can have one for a ride after it is done but you have to come pick it up

[Ventolin]

Hey dude, I like where you're going with the build. Heres my input:

- Satin Black looks good alot of the time, but some days, especially bright days, you're going to think you yourself, "Damn that looks like shit". Alot of those cars look great because they have soft lighting. Its just the nature of a flat paint.

- N/A is ok, but don't have high expectations. When I lived in VA, I had a friend with a y8, full bolt ons, ZC pistons, Crower Stage 2 cams and valvetrain, and tuned on Hondata. I don't remember how much he put down, but bolt on B-series walked him in similarly weighted cars. He spent a good bit on that motor, too.

- Love the muffler you're going with. Clean.

- Keep up the good work!

[mintygood]

i have two torque wrenches you can have one for a ride after it is done but you have to come pick it up

sweet bro, may have to take you up on that. I'll send you a pm if I decide to.

Hey dude, I like where you're going with the build. Heres my input:

- Satin Black looks good alot of the time, but some days, especially bright days, you're going to think you yourself, "Damn that looks like shit". Alot of those cars look great because they have soft lighting. Its just the nature of a flat paint.

- N/A is ok, but don't have high expectations. When I lived in VA, I had a friend with a y8, full bolt ons, ZC pistons, Crower Stage 2 cams and valvetrain, and tuned on Hondata. I don't remember how much he put down, but bolt on B-series walked him in similarly weighted cars. He spent a good bit on that motor, too.

- Love the muffler you're going with. Clean.

- Keep up the good work!

yeah I was going to do something clean like satin black but since the engine bay (and the car eventually) will be flat or satin black, I wanted something more noticeable for the block color. I was thinking about something obnoxious and ridiculous like gold with sparkles or something along those lines.

Not really looking for big numbers. My main goal is to get this car looking clean, running great, and extremely reliable. I just want an engine with a little more pickup and "0" miles.

thanks for the input!

[jdmpwr07]

No boost...no care.

[mintygood]

No boost...no care.

pay for my fuel system upgrades, turbo kit, better clutch, and other misc traction shit and then I'll turbo my car. Until then I'm going NA

[jdmpwr07]

LOL...you know I'm joking! So I might be heading down to UTC next semester to chill with one of my friends...I'll hit you up then.

[mintygood]

LOL...you know I'm joking! So I might be heading down to UTC next semester to chill with one of my friends...I'll hit you up then.

lol word. yeah dude hit me up and we can go get some cheeburger

[sil84]

you ever gona come get your center caps??????

also you need some real suspension buy my teins :D

[mintygood]

lol how much for the struts?

[sil84]

lol how much for the struts?

pm me. and are you coming to get the center caps?????

[mintygood]

pm me. and are you coming to get the center caps?????

yeah one of these days

[mintygood]

bored as fuck and though I'd make a to do list of stuff I need to get done on the car.

Short term:
-Finish assembling short block
-Find Si tranny
-Do something with my god-awful exhaust
-Reinstall back interior (minus back seats)
-Build floor for rear interior and carpet
-Fix front bumper mounting hardware
-Clean up interior wiring
-New wiper blades
-Repaint sideskirts
-Pull misc dents
-Vanity plate...throwing some ideas around for what it should say.

Long term:
-Pull the b7
-Pressure wash engine bay
-Wire tuck
-Paint engine bay
-New engine in
-Dtak to 14k rpms as much as possible
-Prep and paint car (milano red or flat black...haven't decided)
-Tint windows
-Some kind of front lip...haven't decided yet

Optional shit that I want to do at some time...:
-s2k seats
-s2k cluster swap
-One of those fancy honda 3 spoke(?) steering wheels
-Better speakers...maybe...probably not.

I'll add more later

[85rx-7gsl-se]

^do work!

[mintygood]

^son

[85rx-7gsl-se]

pops? is that you?

[mintygood]

rofl

Thinking about doing something like this with my rear interior. I think this guy did a pretty shitty job but I think I can seriously improve on his design. This is just a general idea.
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3745/img0252xi1.jpg
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/3743/img0256zs7.jpg
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/9111/img0260tw7.jpg
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9435/img0262jc8.jpg
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u164/dsurber/fisheye/inside1.jpg

[85rx-7gsl-se]

Not a bad idea, but I would make it so it didn't look like it was a folded down rear seat :lol:

[mintygood]

Not a bad idea, but I would make it so it didn't look like it was a folded down rear seat :lol:

yeah. not sure if you've seen the back of a hatch with no interior but the spot where the spare is and the spot where the seats go are of 2 diff heights and he didn't level it out. I would build something to make it just a flat surface.

Also going to dyna mat the rear before I build it and stuff some cheap pillows under the floor. Hopefully I can greatly reduce road noise by doing that.

[mintygood]

oh and who here sells those tennspeed stickers?

I need to buy one before I head back to chatt

[mintygood]

spoolie hated on my dseries last night :(

[jdmpwr07]

spoolie hated on my dseries last night :(

That's because you need boost SON!!!11

[REV2RED]

cant wait to see this done, maybe ill follow your steps. and i has teh best muffler from spoolie !! custom bullet BITCH ! lol

[mintygood]

I need him to sell me that shit.

I'd like to get exhaust done before I go back but we'll see.

[mintygood]

spun a rod bearing...changed my oil today and found some metal shavings and started to notice a knock. not sure how it happened...I never skip oil changes or go low on oil.

eh...motivation to continue building the z6?

[mintygood]

Does anyone want to come over and help me build the engine this weekend or next?

I know how to do all of the shit, I'd just like some company because I'm gay like that.

I'll buy yall lunch or something

[Combat_EJ6]

i didnt feel like reading all that so heres my thought .. forghet the si tranny and look for the D15non vtec tranny .. long as hell 3rd and turbod you can do around 200 mph when built right i have seen a few nice turbo D series i know of one now waiting for the turbo and he will be making twice what your looking for .. you can make 500 to 600 hp safe and easy when built right ..

[mintygood]

I'll give you 4 hours to read my thread and edit that post of yours

[mintygood]

a little over 2 hours left to redeem yourself

[mintygood]

23 minutes

[mintygood]

times up


you do not have a goddamn clue what you're talking about

[boosted s14.5 v2]

lmfao minty ftw

[mintygood]

wtb 600hp d series

I lul'd





seriously though...anyone want to come by and chill while I build this mufuck?

[SloREX]

i would if you werent in chatty haha

[REV2RED]

lol @ 600 hp D series

[06_gt/cs]

i didnt feel like reading all that so heres my thought .. forghet the si tranny and look for the D15non vtec tranny .. long as hell 3rd and turbod you can do around 200 mph when built right i have seen a few nice turbo D series i know of one now waiting for the turbo and he will be making twice what your looking for .. you can make 500 to 600 hp safe and easy when built right ..

600hp??????
dudes gotta be on some serious shit to think this would ever work.
what a dumbass.

[mintygood]

fuck, I'd be happy with 150-160

I don't race
I don't take it to the track
I just want a clean hatch with a little more pickup


If he would have READ THE GOD DAMN THREAD then he would realize this

[FNEG]

i didnt feel like reading all that so heres my thought .. forghet the si tranny and look for the D15non vtec tranny .. long as hell 3rd and turbod you can do around 200 mph when built right i have seen a few nice turbo D series i know of one now waiting for the turbo and he will be making twice what your looking for .. you can make 500 to 600 hp safe and easy when built right ..

maybe on a cx or hf tranny you can hit 200mph but you would also need a 20 mile strait away lol and a riced out wing for down force

[mintygood]

fuck yeah I want a wing, I'd fly away without intense downforce

[mintygood]

since the car is broken down and I haven't put a pic up in a while I'll post a pic of my new haircut

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/3982/pb170032zw5.jpg

[FNEG]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_NmpKe596Q

[mintygood]

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/3982/pb170032zw5.jpg

[Herndon]

combats post got me thinking.
http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2337047

it's not 600hp but still impressive for a d

[mintygood]

stock sleeves? thats just asking for trouble.

that is impressive but it is nowhere near practical and is waiting to blow up.

the turbo also cost more that the entire car

[ZacCarter]

stock sleeves? thats just asking for trouble.

that is impressive but it is nowhere near practical and is waiting to blow up.

the turbo also cost more that the entire car

There are plenty of high horsepower stocksleeve set ups out there.

[Herndon]

ya stock sleeves are probably going to come back and bite him in the ass. he says he daily drives it so that thing is probably going soon

[mintygood]

there are high HP stock sleeve setups but I wouldn't trust it as a DD with 500hp and stockers

[ZacCarter]

there are high HP stock sleeve setups but I wouldn't trust it as a DD with 500hp and stockers


He's making 500hp on c16 i hardly doubt he's daily driving it on that map.

[Herndon]

i don't think i would even wanna run a 500hp d as a daily. be to worried about something happen. i guess maybe if the boost was turned way down

[mintygood]

yeah you're right zac

oh wells

[Herndon]

He's making 500hp on c16 i hardly doubt he's daily driving it on that map.

true. didn't think about that

[mintygood]

what assembly lube do yall use for bearings and shit

[85rx-7gsl-se]

KY?.....

[mintygood]

/facepalm

[85rx-7gsl-se]

LMAO... But seriously, IDK, I never build my own engines.

[nismojunkie]

engine assembly lube
its red gooey and you can get it at advance auto...

[mintygood]

is there a brand? or is it just called "red goo shit that you use to assemble engines"....I know what its called, I'm asking for a brand so I can order it

[ZacCarter]

is there a brand? or is it just called "red goo shit that you use to assemble engines"....I know what its called, I'm asking for a brand so I can order it

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=cca-104

[mintygood]

thanks dude

[nismojunkie]

is there a brand? or is it just called "red goo shit that you use to assemble engines"....I know what its called, I'm asking for a brand so I can order it

i used permatex when doing mine...

[mintygood]

woot

[mintygood]

Saw this hatch and got pretty inspired:
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh219/edcongco/1.jpg
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh219/edcongco/3.jpg
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh219/edcongco/7.jpg
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh219/edcongco/13.jpg
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh219/edcongco/15.jpg
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh219/edcongco/17a.jpg

[Herndon]

Saw this hatch and got pretty inspired:

good looking hatch.
could go lower though
definitely a good inspiration car

[FNEG]

did you ever get a torque wrench???

[mintygood]

lol no, I'm lame as fuck and keep putting it off :P

[mintygood]

and yeah...mine will be about .75-1" lower than that

[mintygood]

what kind of seats are those btw?

[Herndon]

i think those are the seats out of the SiR eg just re-rapped in leather.

[mintygood]

yeah they look exactly like the ones that are in my car right now only mine are fabric.

was just wondering if they came in leather out of the factory

[redtop240]

I would almost rock that eg.

[Herndon]

ya they look pretty damn good. i think if i was going to re-upholster i would had some foam to make for bigger bolsters. and don't think any models came stock with leather, but i could be wrong

[B18Hybridhatch]

some came with leather or fake leather, ive got some

[mintygood]

can I see some pics?

[mintygood]

I want a convertible now

[iwanagofast]

fuck it get a dsm.

[mintygood]

dear christ, lets not get ahead of ourselves here...

[mintygood]

I kind of want a del sol but they are girl cars.....and really expensive

[iwanagofast]

I kind of want a del sol but they are girl cars.....and really expensive

dibs on using a steering wheel in the pass seat.

[DICK]

very clean hatch!!!!! love the interior

[mintygood]

dibs on using a steering wheel in the pass seat.

LOL wtf?

[mintygood]

thanks, "dick"

interior is nice, I'm just a little discouraged with the build. School - Earn money - Work on cars....pick 2

[mintygood]

me and my buddy austin are going to turn the civic into a rally car

[nismojunkie]

idk if you already have the assembly lude but royal purple makes some....thats hella good....

[mintygood]

nah, haven't bought it yet. Been busy with school etc etc (insert lame excuse here)

[mintygood]

bamp from the dead bitches. after some pretty intense thinking, I've come to realize that I have lost all form of "fun" in my life. All I do is either work at school or work at my job so I've decided to spend a little money and finish this goddamn build.

Garage will be cleaned tomorrow and building will start wednesday. Pics will follow... Keep checking back

[Mitch Detailed]

bamp from the dead bitches. after some pretty intense thinking, I've come to realize that I have lost all form of "fun" in my life. All I do is either work at school or work at my job so I've decided to spend a little money and finish this goddamn build.

Garage will be cleaned tomorrow and building will start wednesday. Pics will follow... Keep checking back

you still needing that tranny.?

[mintygood]

I'm still thinking on it. My main concern is getting the engine in the car since the current engine isn't what you would call reliable. I will probably roll autotragic with the engine for a while. I'm surprised you still have the tranny lol

[WheresTheBathroom]

i love d series
i want to devcon a d series and push 30lbs on a holset that would be so fun (for like a week)

[mintygood]

yeah mine will be pretty slow. I'm building it for reliability though. I'd like to get my car looking clean and driving well again.

[Mitch Detailed]

I'm still thinking on it. My main concern is getting the engine in the car since the current engine isn't what you would call reliable. I will probably roll autotragic with the engine for a while. I'm surprised you still have the tranny lol

i've got a bunch of shit. most of what you saw in the garage that night i put the mini-me together i still have.

[mintygood]

assembly should begin tomorrow if everything goes to plan. The only thing I'm slightly worried about is the rod bolts. When mark at napa did all of the machine work on the pistons/rods, he mentioned that he pre-stretched the rod bolts (arp) so I only need to tighten them 1/3 of the recommended torque value. Not too confident in this advice.

[venom_5]

when you hit vtec and wind it out to 10k rpms ... if your rods dont fly out of the block, then you will know that he was right ... no big deal, really

[mintygood]

rod bolts not head studs

[venom_5]

reading > me ... fixed

[mintygood]

lol thanks. Didn't mean to nit-pick. I don't really plan to rag this engine out... Just want it to be reliable. I'm probably just going to ignore what he said and torque them to spec.... Someone stop me if I'm doing something terrible.

[Jankenshank]

head will go first at 10k rpm,

but also the advice mark gave you, it sounds sound.....

from what i gather,
by pre-stretching the bolt its already been torqued to spec so the required torque applied on teh torque wrench (since the torque wrench is measuring the friction of the bolt and nut) is less, torquing to spec on a pre-stretched bolt is applying more that spec torque, in turn over yielding the bolt..

If the bolt is not properly preloaded (understretched) then the high-rpm tension is enough to stretch the rod bolts a very tiny amount with each revolution. This high-speed cycling of the bolt is similar to bending a paper clip back and forth until it breaks. That's obviously something you want to avoid.

but you have to either go by torque or stretch,

Torque vs. Stretch
The torque spec applied to any particular fastener is merely an estimate of the twisting force required to achieve the correct amount of preload or clamp load. Many times this is the only way to apply fastener load because the bolt threads into a blind hole like in the cylinder block. One advantage to the rod bolt is that both ends of the bolt can be accessed. This allows you to use a rod bolt stretch gauge. This is a specialty tool sold through companies like ARP that will accurately measure the amount of bolt stretch.

The procedure is actually quite simple. Once the connecting rod and cap are installed on the crank, start a nut on the rod bolt, slip on the appropriate-size box-end wrench, and then install the stretch gauge. All ARP connecting rod bolts have a small dimple placed on both ends of the bolt that accurately position the rod bolt gauge pins on the bolt. Next, zero the gauge on the relaxed bolt. Then you carefully tighten the rod bolt until the gauge reads the appropriate stretch amount.
source
(http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/116_0609_using_rod_bolt_stretch_tool/index.html)

[mintygood]

yep he had to torque to spec to make all of the rod journals uniform. I'll probably give him a call tomorrow and see what he says although I doubt he remembers me..... He better though considering he did like 300 bucks worth of work on my engine components

[mintygood]

friend came over with his torque wrench and we set the crank. All of the clearances checked out ok and everything went according to plan! Next stop, pistons/rods....piston ring compressor anyone?

[venom_5]

i forgot to say this earlier ... why not get ahold of another rod bolt, and compare it to yours, should be easy to tell if yours are in fact stretched, and by how much

[mintygood]

ah, good idea lenny. I'll have to dig through my shit and see if I have my old rod bolts.

Anyone in the springhill/franklin have a piston ring compressor that I could use for an afternoon?

[ELI]

Here is some motivation for ya so get busy....lol just kidding man it sound like a solid plan so far.
http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo29/ELICT2/Dftw.jpg

[mintygood]

sexy...is that a bisimoto header?

[Mitch Detailed]

friend came over with his torque wrench and we set the crank. All of the clearances checked out ok and everything went according to plan! Next stop, pistons/rods....piston ring compressor anyone?

lol you should already know i got everything needed man...

[mintygood]

you live so far away!

[shifty35]

Hope you have a cam to throw in there with the P29s... I wouldn't even start that engine up on the stock ECU.

Stock timing on a stock cam with that high of compression will get those ringlands cracking in a hurry. Starting it up with the dizzy retarded all the way might be a good enough bandaid to limp it to a tuner... but do not drive it untuned, or you'll be doing this again.

FYI, even though P29s are cheap and readily available... the D series community has just about abandoned them. The piston shape is terrible for flame propagation.

[Serum]

This will looks to be an interesting build, will definitely keep ana eye on it.
I saw a d-series build sometime ago in honda tuning. Put up b-series #'s relatively cheap, which is perfect for guys who would normally go b-series just for some extra power.

[ELI]

sexy...is that a bisimoto header?
Why yes it is...

[mintygood]

I want one.... bisi is crazy

[mintygood]

and shifty: I've done my homework and I am no moron. Car will be towed to tuners for start up. p29 is quite possibly the most common d16 NA build out there.

[Mitch Detailed]

you live so far away!

not any more. i live about 10-15 minutes away from ya man. moved back to antioch.

besides, if you give me some time, i might be able to help you out and build the block and head at work. my company just relocated to a 7000sq ft warehouse and i have about 2000sq ft of space i can do whatever i please in as well as offices upstairs that i could myself as well.
it's 3 minutes from 65@wedgewood...