Rig Shots?

[venom_5]

Anyone done them? Anyone thinking about building one?

http://www.automotiverigs.com/gallery.html

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r192/ahero4eternity/1f159e48.jpg

... been looking at a bunch of setups and reading up on them, seems like a cool idea - although a bit risky in some cases and a bitch to photoshop in other cases

[dc5ivtec]

They aren't really risky at all, unless you do something stupid. Normally the car never travels more than 5 feet and never goes above a few miles an hour. You can build them where they are actually drivable, but it would require a lot more support than the magnet or suction cup route. I recently added a vertical pole with a tension wire to my setup, similar to the tension wire on the automotive rigs one, but mine is a suction cup rig, not an underbody rig.

The hardest part of rig shots, will always be the photoshopping. I consider myself an expert with photoshop and removing rigs definitely ranks among the harest things I ever have to do. Unless you feel comfortable with being able to remove it, I wouldn't buy one.

[venom_5]

fyi: u dont have to quote the OP - just takes up space

do you have any pics of your setup? and do you just clone stamp the rig out, or do you take one shot without the rig and superimpose it over the shot w/ the rig? (ive heard of both methods, but im just wondering which is more common and which people find to give the best results)

[Jose-Aka-Pedro]

How much are those rigs?

Thats pretty insane,
And it doesnt seem like it would be "too" hard to PS those out...
I

[dornon13]

i am workin on a rig that i plan to sell shortly. I have gone through a few designs and am finally getting it ironed out.
Here are two of my latest.
http://www.dornonphotography.com/clients/sextons/download/saleen/saleen.rig2web.jpg

http://www.dornonphotography.com/clients/sextons/download/z06/z06.rig3web.jpg

[dc5ivtec]

fyi: u dont have to quote the OP - just takes up space

do you have any pics of your setup? and do you just clone stamp the rig out, or do you take one shot without the rig and superimpose it over the shot w/ the rig? (ive heard of both methods, but im just wondering which is more common and which people find to give the best results)

Yeah, I'm an idiot. I normally clone/heal/airbrush the rig out. Each shot is different so there is never one set way I do it. I never understood how people take one without the rig and then superimpose it. I mean one slight variation in angle or height going from the tripod to the rig is going to make everything hell.

[dc5ivtec]

How much are those rigs?

Thats pretty insane,
And it doesnt seem like it would be "too" hard to PS those out...
I

The automotiverig one's are a rip off but that's because he realizes people who are too lazy to build their own will be willing to buy it. I made mine for like 300.

And it can be very difficult to photoshop out. It all depends on what background you choose with the suction cup rigs. Like the picture is among the easiest you will find, but the photographer did an awful job editing it out. I can see a big ass black line where he edited the rig out. I've had several backgrounds with converging lines and that means you don't have anything to clone from because their is no where else in the picture where the lines are that far apart. Underbody rigs are a lot easier to photoshop the rig out, but I have heard there are many problems with mounting them on the car.

[280zx!!!]

fyi: u dont have to quote the OP - just takes up space

do you have any pics of your setup? and do you just clone stamp the rig out, or do you take one shot without the rig and superimpose it over the shot w/ the rig? (ive heard of both methods, but im just wondering which is more common and which people find to give the best results)

Yeah, I'm an idiot. I normally clone/heal/airbrush the rig out. Each shot is different so there is never one set way I do it. I never understood how people take one without the rig and then superimpose it. I mean one slight variation in angle or height going from the tripod to the rig is going to make everything hell.

ok ive got 1 question...why couldnt u just paint the rig green and do the green screen type thing and take it out? like in that girl(skateboarding) video were they just painted the boards green and took them completely out!!!

[dc5ivtec]

ok ive got 1 question...why couldnt u just paint the rig green and do the green screen type thing and take it out? like in that girl(skateboarding) video were they just painted the boards green and took them completely out!!!

I'm not familiar with what you are referring to, but the color of the rig is irrelevant. I understand what you mean with green screening stuff, but motion blur of a background is a very hard thing to recreate. I suppose you could cgi it with a greenscreen, but that's just way too much work for one rig shot. The easiest thing to do is to use the motion blur from around the rig and clone over it, so that the lines of the motion blur are continuous. The hard part comes in when you have to recreate the subtle gradients of a background. That's something that the picture in the op did not do all that well.

[dornon13]

he is right the hardest part is getting rid of the rig afterwards...I am still working on it lol

[pittyinSC]

Right now I am starting on working on a custom rig, made by me of course, that will use my
front and rear tow hook spots. Both position's have just a tow hook that screws in. I will post them up tomorrow.

As for making the rig work I will have to see how big the part that screw in is and then I am in business. Or I could construct
something that can attach to my tow hooks.

[280zx!!!]

no im not refering to green screen but in a skateboarding video they painted all the boards green and some of the ramps green...then did rolling shots were the boards werent even there with the real backgrounds...i dont know how they took the boards out but i guess them being green helped cause they wouldnt have done it for nothing..then at the end of the video they showed how they painted the boards and ramps green so everyone was rolling on green boards...it was funny to see them just huvering around....

[280zx!!!]

here's the video but its not the full version showing how they done it but you'll get the idea...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DIEM144OB0

[dornon13]

painting the rig a bright color would also likely create a horrid reflection on the car. The less you have to photoshop the better.

[dc5ivtec]

here's the video but its not the full version showing how they done it but you'll get the idea...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DIEM144OB0

O its video. I was thinking it was still photography. I suppose since with video you are working with so many frames that there needs to be an easy way to select whatever part of the picture you need to remove or replace, which is why they painted everything green. When you just have one still photograph that needs a rig to be removed, its just as easy to edit it out had you painted the rig green or had you not. Green screen is a technique I have only seen implemented in video.

[280zx!!!]

here's the video but its not the full version showing how they done it but you'll get the idea...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DIEM144OB0

O its video. I was thinking it was still photography. I suppose since with video you are working with so many frames that there needs to be an easy way to select whatever part of the picture you need to remove or replace, which is why they painted everything green. When you just have one still photograph that needs a rig to be removed, its just as easy to edit it out had you painted the rig green or had you not. Green screen is a technique I have only seen implemented in video.

i didnt know if it would help or not but they make it look so easy!!! i figured there might be a technique behind it that could be used to help

[pittyinSC]

Mine will be very simple and not as big as the ones shown in the OP's link, but still figuring thinks out

[Leftlane]

Im actually thinking about buying the rig from the OP. I've had their company in mind for over a year now. Just havent had the money to go out and spend something that pricey on photography equipment lately. $800 is kind of high, but for people like me who dont even know how to make something like that, and dont trust suction cups anymore( mine fell off doing 10mph-never again), i rather spend the money on a good rig like that.

[Pirate John]

why wouldnt you just get someone to ride beside you and take a picture?

[ZacCarter]

why wouldnt you just get someone to ride beside you and take a picture?It's pretty much impossible to do that at night.

[Pirate John]

why wouldnt you just get someone to ride beside you and take a picture?It's pretty much impossible to do that at night.

But the gallery on the site are all day time? lol

[Leftlane]

And the amount of blur and detail you can get up close to the car compared to car-car shoot is waaay much better. Car to car works well, but 95% magazine rolling shots come from rigs.

Go pick up any automotive magazine, and I can pretty much guarantee that every rolling shot is done with a rig

[ZacCarter]

The effect isn't the same. You cant' use as long of an exposure nor get the same angle as you can on a rig.

[Pirate John]

The effect isn't the same. You cant' use as long of an exposure nor get the same angle as you can on a rig.

you look like a rig

[ZacCarter]

The effect isn't the same. You cant' use as long of an exposure nor get the same angle as you can on a rig.

you look like a rigHello pot this is kettle. :P

[Pirate John]

The effect isn't the same. You cant' use as long of an exposure nor get the same angle as you can on a rig.

you look like a rigHello pot this is kettle. :P

but im pirate?

[ZacCarter]

The effect isn't the same. You cant' use as long of an exposure nor get the same angle as you can on a rig.

you look like a rigHello pot this is kettle. :P

but im pirate?The one and only.

[Black240SX]

stop playing zac and get the video from TO lol

[ZacCarter]

stop playing zac and get the video from TO lolLOL! it's crappy footage, if you want to see what it's like to be a bobble head. I am gonna have to get some mounts.

[Black240SX]

send it to me any ways lol I want to see it XD

wonder if these rigs would hold on a drift car...

[Leeroy]

send it to me any ways lol I want to see it XD

wonder if these rigs would hold on a drift car...
x2 on both :oops:

[loud3nergy]

I used to have one but I sold it on H-T..

http://www.tennspeed.net/forum/garage.php?mode=view_gallery_item&type=garage_mod&image_id=468

[Ventolin]

Dornon has a cool rig setup hes working on.. hopefully hell sell me one! Or I will build one. I need one.

[dornon13]

I should be finishing mine soon im really just waiting to get back to school so i can use the machine shop lol

[04bluesrt]

just ordered all the stuff i need for my rig, itll be here by the weekend.

[fordrule]

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=490505 here is a good thread on how to do your own RIG... looks badass...i would love to make one of there. be pimp. hell make one strong enough for the drift guys too..be fun....but an expensive mistake lol :lol:

[04bluesrt]

here is my first attempt at a rig shot, please excuse the noise/lack of detail, and shitty editing...i was just anxious to see what it looked like...


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3212/2785778696_cfa1f5a6f3_o.jpg

[fordrule]

post the unedited to see the rig if you wouldn't mind.

[Devin]

I'll start the blog back one of these days..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/devin22cbr/rig2.jpg

[pittyinSC]

School work has made it hard to start on making one, but I will be able to start on mine eventually,
when I save up some money, I am pretty low right now

[capone]

here's the video but its not the full version showing how they done it but you'll get the idea...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DIEM144OB0

dude thats off the girl yeah right skate video. they used green decks to do that.

[dornon13]

Devin are ppl not leary about putting suction cups on their cars? and having a metal pole above their car? I haven't totally given up on suction cups but I have a hard time considering them for that reason. I like magnets i have been using but they have their weaknesses too.

back from the dead bishes

[Leftlane]

ive been looking at automotiverigs' rig for quite some time...

[dornon13]

I wouldnt spend that much on it. If I ever get around to selling mine it will be like 500 and you will have everything you need.

[TorqueJunkie]

Devin are ppl not leary about putting suction cups on their cars? and having a metal pole above their car? I haven't totally given up on suction cups but I have a hard time considering them for that reason. I like magnets i have been using but they have their weaknesses too.

back from the dead bishes

Im not Devin but, the people I have encountered when Im with Andy (04bluesrt) arent really too concerned. It leaves a little ring that wipes right off. It really isnt too big of a deal. I would like to make a rig but right now Im gonna focus on getting flashes and learning about them first

[dornon13]

well the actual suction cups arent what scares me. I would be more concerned with losing grip and dropping the pole on the car. I dunno I guess I would only use suction if I had no way of connecting by magnet

[TorqueJunkie]

well the actual suction cups arent what scares me. I would be more concerned with losing grip and dropping the pole on the car. I dunno I guess I would only use suction if I had no way of connecting by magnet

if Andy will post some of his it would help, but the pole on his is held on by clamps that go all the way around the pole

[dornon13]

not the clamps, the suction letting go

[TorqueJunkie]

well we were more worried about the suction pulling the paint off the car. Pretty sure his are rated to something like 200lbs each, he uses two just to steady it more lol

[dornon13]

Yeah I know with good suction they are fine I would just be paranoid with them. But from what I hear many many ppl use them with great success

[venom_5]

http://apps.rockyou.com/images/facebook/apps/superwall/2008_02_07_great_success.jpg

[Leftlane]

lol. do i even wanna know??

[04bluesrt]

it would take a lot of stress on the suction cup, or if you put in on an uneven place for the suction to let go, i picked up my kitchen table with just 1 cup.

[04bluesrt]

heres a shot of mine

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3148/3093327489_9947507480_o.jpg

[Ventolin]

Just bought a rig setup :) Probably won't put it to use for a few weeks... we'll see!

[civicseth]

I will eventually make one....but not now....I'm broke.

[Ventolin]

I was going to make one, but this guy out of nowhere offered to sell his for just a little more than it'd cost me to make one. Save me some legwork.

[04bluesrt]

get that shit in use james! what kinda setup is it? suction or undercar?

[Ventolin]

Just got the suction cups so far.

These: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/67896-REG/Avenger_F1000_F1000_Pump_Cup_with.html

Heres the rig, this was before I bought it:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3270/2697007397_ac2148f76f_o.jpg

I bought it off a guy I know, Sean Klingelhoefer (click for FlickR) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/seanklingelhoefer/), also goes by Nike SB'd. Its been used successfully for a cover and a few features, and hes a standup guy and told me its a solid, sturdy setup so I trust him. I'll try and get some shots soon. Unfortunately, I was going to test it on my car but someone wrecked into me today :(

[Leftlane]

what!?! that sucks man!!

how much did you buy the rig for?

[Ventolin]

He included everything but the suction cups because he was using them for something else.

Everything, including the cost of the cups and the shipping, is just a bit over $260.

I probably could've built one for cheaper but it saved me alot of legwork.

[Leftlane]

Yeah, im too lazy to build one.

[Ventolin]

Getting a sturdy setup is the key. Anything that saves me some work, some cussing, some throwing shit, and potential damage to my car in the process.. is worth a little extra haha.

[Leftlane]

lol...

[idrmjdm]

I've been meaning to try and build one of these for awhile now. I really need to get off my butt and just do it.

[Ventolin]

Yeah. Its not too hard. Get 2 Avenger F1000 cups, three superclamps, a magic arm, and then fabricate a sturdy length of pipe.

[idrmjdm]

I worry about my D300 on the end of it. I think i may pick up another d50 for testing...lol

[04bluesrt]

I worry about my D300 on the end of it. I think i may pick up another d50 for testing...lol

it would really take something stupid for a camera to get damaged during a rig shot.


and i mean something REALLLY stupid.