Fall HPDE's??

[ZacCarter]

I have checked out the tracks unlimited site and didn't see anything posted. I'll be ready end of september to make my first event. I can't make the Mustang Club event on september 17th because I will be at the beach on my first vacation in 5 years. I know TRSCCA usually does a full track event on the 31st, but there isn't much info posted on their site.

I honestly have no desire to do cone chasing because I'm not a fan after watching several events.

I have a group of at least 3 cars all beginer drivers that want to attend something around the same time frame as me. Preferably I would like to attend NSS because I'm familiar with it, and it's the closest to knoxville. Does anyone have any input?

[Wheelman13]

NASA, MVP Track Time, Chin Motorsports, etc. also run HPDE-Style track days in the Southeastern region. Tracksunlimited or a club like the Mustang folks will be your best bet for NSS though. I'm not sure how active the Honda clubs are in this area (Integra/S2K/etc.).

The TRSCCA events are still autocrosses, so you run basically one lap with some cone interference, then wait, run it again, etc. In theory, they also screen entrants and require at least some prior autox experience....(in theory).

Also: watching autocross = boring, running autocross = not-so-boring IMO. There's no quicker way to develop car control in a legal environment. It'll make you better when you do hit the track, and it's a good way to shake a car down after making changes. You'd rather something fall off at 30 in an empty parking lot than at 130 next to a wall on a track ;)

[ZacCarter]

They do solo events at pellisspi every other month because they share the region with bristol. I just don't care for it. The track is always different, and you have to work the cones when your not driving. I'm fat lazy and don't want to run after cones LOL! Plain and simple. I've done a gymkhana in texas in my old civic, and didn't have to work the track it was ok. I also don't want to have to worry about the classes in scca and deal with that, I build my car on a budget and pick up parts based on deals avaliable, when I have money to spend on the car.

Getting one hour total of seat time vs. 10 minutes of seat time is also more appealing to me.

I'll check out the places you have listed though and see what's up. ;)

[Flier129]

I'm sure your teg would fall into ST.

I drove lpparker's LS teg (orange wheels) and its surprising fun and fast in the class. Even on some 300 treadwear tires.

I'd do at least one autox, just to see how you liked it. You don't always have to chase cones, even if you are put on a cone-corner you stand around watching cars more than chasing cones.

I'd be happy to co-drive with you at the next Pelli event and then I could return the favor if you ever wanted to drive a miata :-D

I hope to have the black car going again by next spring to get some track time or I might break down and buy a kart :-\

[ZacCarter]

I might be able to make the next pelli event on the 22nd and take you up on your offer. I'll have to see how my funds are. If not it's gonna be october before I can do any more SCCA events.

[Flier129]

Cool let me know.

It's $30 if you pre-register and $25 if you're an scca member and pre-register.


General courtesy of co-drivng someone's car I throw them a $20 :)


edit: Looked over your build setup thread. Your car will definitely fall into ST pretty easily. Sways, header, intake, "piggy-back" ecu(don't know shit about honda ecu's), and some sticky tires (read 140 treadwear) then you'd be basically maxed out in ST :). Your car is suitable enough to be competitive locally though.

[Wheelman13]

They do solo events at pellisspi every other month because they share the region with bristol.

ETR runs both, they'll be at Pellissippi every month until the end of this season (2x in August).


I just don't care for it..... and you have to work the cones when your not driving. I'm fat lazy and don't want to run after cones LOL! Plain and simple. ...... I also don't want to have to worry about the classes in scca and deal with that, I build my car on a budget and pick up parts based on deals avaliable, when I have money to spend on the car. Lol, at least your honest. Most SCCA regions around here (ETR, TR, and CR (chattanooga) run a generic run whatcha brung street tire class where you don't have to worry about classing and PAX handicap as long as you're on street tires.


I'll check out the places you have listed though and see what's up. ;)There may be others, that was just a quick list off the top of my head. www.nasa-se.com (http://www.nasa-se.com) is the regional NASA site. They run Road Atlanta and a few other places that you can get to in a day. Some places allow camping too so you can save a buck by sleeping in your car/tent vs. a hotel. I think tracksunlimited is about the best organization for single-day (i.e. less expensive) events nearby.

[MCarp22]

The Music City Mustang Club is having a HPDE at the superspeedway on Sept. 17-18:

http://www.musiccitymustangclub.org/activities/2010ShowOpenTrack/Fall_V.pdf

[ZacCarter]

Cool let me know.

It's $30 if you pre-register and $25 if you're an scca member and pre-register.


General courtesy of co-drivng someone's car I throw them a $20 :)


edit: Looked over your build setup thread. Your car will definitely fall into ST pretty easily. Sways, header, intake, "piggy-back" ecu(don't know shit about honda ecu's), and some sticky tires (read 140 treadwear) then you'd be basically maxed out in ST :). Your car is suitable enough to be competitive locally though.


Yea, stock sway bars, will stay that way until I learn my car. I/H/E will be finished up very soon. Should be fun though either way I guess.

Mike I want to do a mustang club event and have wanted to since I had the fit, but it is never a good time for me it seems like. :(

[85rx-7gsl-se]

Lol at Zac's lazy ass...Remember auto-x's tend to make good road racers but the opposite doesnt always hold true.

[ZacCarter]

Lol at Zac's lazy ass...Remember auto-x's tend to make good road racers but the opposite doesnt always hold true.

Once I start my motor build I am going to be in a wild class, I don't want to compete on a national level as far as the SCCA. Time Attack is more of my style and preference. I wish NASA's Honda Challenge was more popular in the Southeast.

[WynnS123]

Lol at Zac's lazy ass...Remember auto-x's tend to make good road racers but the opposite doesnt always hold true.

Lol, because good road racers don't care to go dodge cones for 6 minutes and work for 7 hrs. You are right though; the skills learned in auto-x come in very handy on the track. Car control is car control, and it is much easier to learn it in a parking lot where the consequences of a mistake are minimal. One thing that auto-x can't teach you is balls. It doesn't take much to go 60mph in a parking lot.

[WynnS123]

I still hit the auto-x courses every now and then. The competition makes it fun.

[ZacCarter]

I don't want to sound conceded, but I'm fully confident that nothing is going to fall off my car or break causing me to wreck. If anything happens it will be my fault behind the wheel. I have done alot to the car to prepare the car to the point it's at now. I will go through the car again before the next hpde to ensure all bolts are to spec and it's mechanically in good shape. I plan to try out some auto-x before blowing it off totally.

Wynn what's the new track in KY? I know you've been was it worth the trip?

Has anyone been to the moto/kart track in Alabama (can't remember the name)?

Both of these are within driving distance that I feel comfortable with.

[WynnS123]

The KY track is Bluegrass Motorsports Ranch. I don't think it's even completed yet. The kart track in AL is BTK. I've been there with a friend of mine. He's got a shifter kart.

[ZacCarter]

The KY track is Bluegrass Motorsports Ranch. I don't think it's even completed yet. The kart track in AL is BTK. I've been there with a friend of mine. He's got a shifter kart. I found the site I was thinking of: http://www.tgprace.com/

[ELI]

The Music City Mustang Club is having a HPDE at the superspeedway on Sept. 17-18:

http://www.musiccitymustangclub.org/activities/2010ShowOpenTrack/Fall_V.pdf

Hell I might just sign up for this one!!! Thanks for putting that out there....

[ZacCarter]

If your going to do it eli do it soon because they fill up rather quickly if they aren't full now.

[ELI]

I can sign up this fri....

[ELI]

But I can only make the sat event though......

[Ventolin]

High Potency Dick Enlargement?

[ELI]

I just LOL'ed.......damn james whats on your mind? call me......(secret homo stuff only)

[85rx-7gsl-se]

Lol, because good road racers don't care to go dodge cones for 6 minutes and work for 7 hrs. You are right though; the skills learned in auto-x come in very handy on the track. Car control is car control, and it is much easier to learn it in a parking lot where the consequences of a mistake are minimal. One thing that auto-x can't teach you is balls. It doesn't take much to go 60mph in a parking lot.


My issue isnt balls its $$$$$$


Autox can be run on a much cheaper budget which is good for a full time student ;)

[WynnS123]

:iagree:

[Jdavenport]

I found the site I was thinking of: http://www.tgprace.com/

I've been there for one of their test-n-tune days. Good cheap track time. Fun course, but if you drive it aggressively it is very hard on brakes. In the Evo there are 3 straights where I could hit 110-115 but had to brake to 45-65 for corners at the ends. And you repeat those 3 zones every 75 seconds or so. Guy I was pitting next to had an IR gun and got a reading over 900 degF off my front rotors after a cool down lap.

Their T&T days are not HPDE's. No formal instruction and there are a few tricky spots on the track. Had my first 2-wheel off there.

[ZacCarter]

I've been there for one of their test-n-tune days. Good cheap track time. Fun course, but if you drive it aggressively it is very hard on brakes. In the Evo there are 3 straights where I could hit 110-115 but had to brake to 45-65 for corners at the ends. And you repeat those 3 zones every 75 seconds or so. Guy I was pitting next to had an IR gun and got a reading over 900 degF off my front rotors after a cool down lap.

Their T&T days are not HPDE's. No formal instruction and there are a few tricky spots on the track. Had my first 2-wheel off there.

I'll keep that in mind then for when I get a better feel of my car. I'm not worried about cooking my brakes. Napa rotors are 25 bucks a piece and pads are cheap for my car.

[Jdavenport]

I'll keep that in mind then for when I get a better feel of my car. I'm not worried about cooking my brakes. Napa rotors are 25 bucks a piece and pads are cheap for my car.

Then you will put it in the tire wall if you go out and try to go fast. At 900+degF regular brake pads will be soft goo. You will also boil garden variety brake fluid in a heartbeat, then your pedal will hit the floor and 'oh shit' happens.

This all depends on how hard you want to drive the car. You can go out and take it easy without issue. But if you want to push it some, a few brake upgrades are mandatory. Fluid, complete flush of the system and fill it with Ate Blue, Motul 600 or such. Pads, get something at least rated for 1000degF. You will approach that with moderately aggressive driving.

Not being a killjoy, just trying to enlighten you so you know what to expect and arrive prepared. I upgraded pads, SS lines and Ate Blue fluid before I ever went to a track, damn glad I did. The stock Evo pads would have gotten me in deep trouble.

But now I'm loading up DBa Rotors and Carbotech XP12's (2000degF) pads because I still cooked my brakes.:roll:

[ZacCarter]

I have ate blue, stainless lines at the moment I wasn't trying to sound like a hero driver. I was just stating that my brake parts are probably 1/4 the cost of factory brembo stuff and I don't mind being hard on them.

[Flier129]

Damn 900 is fucking hot, even after a cooldown lap.

Keep in mind that integra's are lighter and don't have 300hp to get to 100-115 on the straights.

Good pads help, ones like these:
http://949racing.com/carbotech-acura-integra-brakepads94-01.aspx


Also, here's some nefty info I've saved from another forum:

ARRANGED BY DRY BOILING POINT:

DRY:401F -- WET:284F --- DOT3 MINIMUM (GLYCOL BASE)
DRY:401F -- WET:284F --- AMSOIL SERIES 500 HIGH-PERFORMANCE DOT 3
DRY:446F -- WET:311F --- DOT4 MINIMUM (GLYCOL BASE)
DRY:446F -- WET:311F --- AMSOIL SERIES 600 DOT 4 RACING
DRY:500F -- WET:356F --- DOT5 MINIMUM (SILICONE BASE)
DRY:500F -- WET:356F --- DOT5.1 MINIMUM (GLYCOL BASE)
DRY:527F -- WET:302F --- AP RACING 551 ($12.95/0.5L OR 16.9 OZ)
DRY:527F -- WET:347F --- VALVOLINE SYNPOWER DOT3 & DOT4
DRY:536F -- WET:392F --- ATE SUPERBLUE/TYP200 ($9.95/1L)
DRY:550F -- WET:284F --- FORD HEAVY DUTY DOT 3 ($4/12 OZ)
DRY:570F -- WET:284F --- WILWOOD 570 ($5.65/12 OZ)
DRY:570F -- WET:284F --- PERFORMANCE Friction Z rated ($6.27/16 OZ)
DRY:590F -- WET:410F --- AP RACING 600 ($16.95/0.5L OR 16.9 OZ)
DRY:590F -- WET:518F --- CASTROL SRF ($69.00/1L 0R 33.8 OZ)
DRY:593F -- WET:420F --- MOTUL RBF600 ($12.95/0.5L OR 16.9 OZ)
DRY:601F -- WET:399F --- BREMBO LCF 600 PLUS ($26.75/0.5L OR 16.9 OZ)
DRY:610F -- WET:421F --- NEO SYNTH. SUPER DOT 610 ($11.95/12 OZ)
DRY:610F -- WET:421F --- PROSPEED GS610 ($39.95/16 OZ)
DRY:626F -- WET:417F --- WILWOOD EXP 600 ($16.95/0.5L 16.9 OZ)

ARRANGED BY WET BOILING POINT:

DRY:401F -- WET:284F --- DOT3 MINIMUM
DRY:401F -- WET:284F --- AMSOIL SERIES 500 HIGH-PERFORMANCE DOT 3
DRY:570F -- WET:284F --- WILWOOD 570
DRY:570F -- WET:284F --- PERFORMANCE Friction Z rated
DRY:550F -- WET:284F --- FORD HEAVY DUTY DOT 3
DRY:527F -- WET:302F --- AP RACING 551
DRY:446F -- WET:311F --- DOT4 MINIMUM
DRY:446F -- WET:311F --- AMSOIL SERIES 600 DOT 4 RACING
DRY:527F -- WET:347F --- VALVOLINE SYNPOWER DOT3 & DOT4
DRY:500F -- WET:356F --- DOT5.1 MINIMUM (GLYCOL BASE)
DRY:500F -- WET:356F --- DOT5 MINIMUM (SILICONE BASE)
DRY:536F -- WET:392F --- ATE SUPERBLUE/TYP200
DRY:601F -- WET:399F --- BREMBO LCF 600 PLUS
DRY:590F -- WET:410F --- AP RACING 600
DRY:626F -- WET:417F --- WILWOOD EXP 600
DRY:593F -- WET:420F --- MOTUL RBF600
DRY:610F -- WET:421F --- NEO SYNTHETICS SUPER DOT 610
DRY:610F -- WET:421F --- PROSPEED GS610
DRY:590F -- WET:518F --- CASTROL SRF

[Jdavenport]

Damn 900 is fucking hot, even after a cooldown lap.

Keep in mind that integra's are lighter and don't have 300hp to get to 100-115 on the straights.

Good pads help, ones like these:
http://949racing.com/carbotech-acura-integra-brakepads94-01.aspx



I posted this before, but here's what the radiant heat off the rotors did to the valvestem caps:

http://webpages.charter.net/jimd/Melted.JPG

Yeah, last two sessions at TGP there was smoke coming off the fronts after I parked. Destroyed a set of Racing Brake ET700 pads. Evo's have good brakes, but they are hard on pads.

I'm pushing 335 awhp (Probably around 400 bhp) and that allowed me to hit between 110-115 on the 3 straights.

TGP is a fun track with a few challenging spots. They only charge $100 for their T&T days and you can easily get 1.5 hours of track time. Can't beat that for $100.

[Wheelman13]

I'll be down at TGP again this weekend. Jdavenport pretty much nailed the track description. It's a fun track, but can be rough on brakes if you've got a faster car. I accidentally(obviously) shift locked my MR2 coming into the little zig-zag before the pits and ended up backwards off the track a bit. Which brings up the best feature of TGP for a beginner track: there isn't much to run into if you have an off.

To add to Flier's list, Motul also makes an RBF660 these days that's got a stupid dry BP, but not as high a wet BP as the 600.

One of the biggest things you can do towards brake cooling is getting rid of the dust shields and/or adding some more serious brake ducting. Most sports cars will have a scoop-style deflector to channel air into the wheel, but it's much better to have tubular ducting channeling air directly onto the rotor. @Jdavenport, if you don't already have something like that it'd probably help your EVO be a little easier on pads.

::edit:: lol, nevermind, I just ready your post re: ducting kit in the track video thread

If your car didn't start life as a sportscar, then this is definitely something to look into, and it's not like it's very expensive to rig something up.

[Jdavenport]

I'll be down at TGP again this weekend.

We were running it clockwise, and the turn at what i would call the 'back corner' of the track is very interesting. You brake hard enter around 50-55 (best I remember) and it has a nice bank to it. Aim for the apex, start to throttle on and it goes from nice bank to slightly off-camber on exit. Too much throttle and it get real interesting. Had my first off there and looked a lot like Wynn in his vid fighting off a spin.

Keep cool down there. It was hotter than hell when I went in June (98degF). By 2:30 everybody packed up and left. We all had over an hour of track time and it had just gotten miserable.

BTW, I got showed up bad by a Minivan there. Don't laugh, I watched him get on the bumper of a GT500 Shelby on Slicks and the mighty super snake couldn't shake him....

http://www.youtube.com/v/0vgEZmxNHCY

[Wheelman13]

Lol, that's funny.

I think I've only ever run it anti-clockwise, but I could see that corner being entertaining the other way around.

I imagine it'll be hotter'n dammit, but as long as I can park in the shade and keep hydrated, then it should be ok.

[Jdavenport]

Lol, that's funny.

I think I've only ever run it anti-clockwise, but I could see that corner being entertaining the other way around.

I imagine it'll be hotter'n dammit, but as long as I can park in the shade and keep hydrated, then it should be ok.

heck I meant counter clockwise. Work has been leaving me brain dead.

Sounds like you know the one I am taking about. It was the scene of several minor off's the day I was there.

[jdmkevin]

I'll be down at TGP again this weekend. Jdavenport pretty much nailed the track description. It's a fun track, but can be rough on brakes if you've got a faster car. I accidentally(obviously) shift locked my MR2 coming into the little zig-zag before the pits and ended up backwards off the track a bit. Which brings up the best feature of TGP for a beginner track: there isn't much to run into if you have an off.


Lol, I had my 2 off in the same section...did a little landscaping as well :P

That track is interesting, it seems "smaller" but like you guys said, is very hard on brakes. I saw a mint Type R lose his brakes at the end of the front straight (old) and did some pretty serious damage when he went off, I also destroyed some 370z brakes pretty quickly there as well. One of the worst offs I've seen was on the old layout, was with a local BMW club and saw a 318ti come off in the grass, get sideways and flipped several times damn near into the woods. Driver walked away, amazingly.

It's not a scary track, just fools people. Make sure you have the right hardware and everything will be good.


Wheel, where are you from? Are you on MR2oc ever? Nice to see another deuce owner tracking it!