lsvtec frankenstein

[Deentwon]

im thinkin of doin a swap and a few other things with my car..
the swap is totally my idea but the rest me and my boss have worked out on doin
our thoughts are to shave the door handles. lambo doors. and possibly some kinda low key body kit or a lip or somethin.. most likely a lip. and were gonna paint it.. he wants to do lime green and i dont really dislike it but im still not sure..
as for the swap i wanna buy a z6 and replace cam crank pistons and rods then boost..
havent really researched and looked into it too much but its just a plan for now
any suggestions tips or ideas?

[duncan]

ehh.... to each his own with the body mods. ive got a spare z6 short block in my garage that id let you have for cheap if youre serious about it.

[mintygood]

I think you need to do some research...I'm building a z6 right now and it's quite an undertaking. If you are building for boost then prepare to spend 1k+ on the block (not including cam and headwork) and around 2-3k for turbo kit (not including fuel management, injectors, and tuning).

www.d-series.org

[Sagostino]

I think you need to do some research...I'm building a z6 right now and it's quite an undertaking. If you are building for boost then prepare to spend 1k+ on the block (not including cam and headwork) and around 2-3k for turbo kit (not including fuel management, injectors, and tuning).

www.d-series.org

for a built block yeah but 2-3k for a kit minus tuning injectors and management wtf kinda kit r u looking at u could boost a b for that and reach your 300 mark alot easier

[mintygood]

I'm going by the prives on go-autoworks.com

they make some excellent are are perfect if you don't want to fuck with building your own kit. Judging from the noobie tone in his post (not insulting you) I assumed that you wanted a kit....here is a bottom line kit with a log manifold and a t3/4 57 trim:

The GO-AUTOWORKS Tuner kit will
Include:
-Stainless Log Manifold
-3" Stainless downpipe w/ flex and
02 bung
-38mm flanged dumptube
-Bullseye Power T3/T4 57 trim
-Tial 38mm Wastegate (silver)
-Tial 50mm Blow Off Valve ,(silver)
-Complete Oil Feed and Return Kit
-Intercooler
-Aluminum Charge Pipe Kit
-T bolt clamps
-silicone reinforced couplers
(this kit is also available in an A/C
version for $100 more w/ 2.5"
Downpipe!!
Complete bolt on,
-FREE set of NGK spark plugs!
$2,295


I suppose you could build one for cheaper if you are willing to be thrify and adventurous but that is a very fair price for what it is.

*EDIT* you will also want a good clutch, good tires and maybe even LSD if you are going to be running 300hp or else you will be just spinning the tired.....traction upgrades are very underrated these days for some reason...

[capone]

im thinkin of doin a swap and a few other things with my car..
the swap is totally my idea but the rest me and my boss have worked out on doin
our thoughts are to shave the door handles. lambo doors. and possibly some kinda low key body kit or a lip or somethin.. most likely a lip. and were gonna paint it.. he wants to do lime green and i dont really dislike it but im still not sure..
as for the swap i wanna buy a z6 and replace cam crank pistons and rods then boost..
havent really researched and looked into it too much but its just a plan for now
any suggestions tips or ideas?

should have left out the lime green part denton... lol

[PhoenixNWH]

Put a R34 body kit on it. Sick!

[mintygood]

Put a R34 body kit on it. Sick!
no

lightning yellow with blue underglows

[sil84]

why does this need to be in builds and setups???????????? your not building it now so couldn't you have posted this in general automotive discussion???????

oh and good luck with the lambos it will be aweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesome. and i second the lighting yellow with blue under leds :thumbup: :thumbup:

[Deentwon]

yea im gonna go lightening yellow with some green racin strips
with the r34 body kit
then like a 2 inch exhaust all the way back and a 4.5 inch exhaust
then im gonna put chrome tires on it





bastards

[Deentwon]

im thinkin of doin a swap and a few other things with my car..
the swap is totally my idea but the rest me and my boss have worked out on doin
our thoughts are to shave the door handles. lambo doors. and possibly some kinda low key body kit or a lip or somethin.. most likely a lip. and were gonna paint it.. he wants to do lime green and i dont really dislike it but im still not sure..
as for the swap i wanna buy a z6 and replace cam crank pistons and rods then boost..
havent really researched and looked into it too much but its just a plan for now
any suggestions tips or ideas?

should have left out the lime green part denton... lol
yeh i no..
i dont really wanna do it that much.. its just that i dont think he'll paint it if we dont do lime green.. he hates paintin cars
idk if ill be able to do any of this though if i dont get any time off work.. im always workin so no time for my car. :(

[Deentwon]

I think you need to do some research...I'm building a z6 right now and it's quite an undertaking. If you are building for boost then prepare to spend 1k+ on the block (not including cam and headwork) and around 2-3k for turbo kit (not including fuel management, injectors, and tuning).

www.d-series.org

for a built block yeah but 2-3k for a kit minus tuning injectors and management wtf kinda kit r u looking at u could boost a b for that and reach your 300 mark alot easier
so built booted b>built boosted d?
would it be cheaper/easier?.

[Mitch Detailed]

so built booted b>built boosted d?
would it be cheaper/easier?.
this would be my first sign that your car is going to be a fustercluck.

[sil84]

so built booted b>built boosted d?
would it be cheaper/easier?.
this would be my first sign that your car is going to be a fustercluck.

before he ask what the first sign is i will bold it.

[d_j140]

wow, deentwon is gonna get his feelings hurt real quick :P


idk if you make it a really fast car than a ricer look can be like a sleeper type thing :lol:

[mintygood]

yea im gonna go lightening yellow with some green racin strips
with the r34 body kit
then like a 2 inch exhaust all the way back and a 4.5 inch exhaust
then im gonna put chrome tires on it





bastards

chrome tires ftw

[Deentwon]

yea im gonna go lightening yellow with some green racin strips
with the r34 body kit
then like a 2 inch exhaust all the way back and a 4.5 inch exhaust
then im gonna put chrome tires on it





bastards

chrome tires ftw
well i was thinkin like chrome 18's or like yellow american racing rims ya no?...
and definitely gotta have the matchin underglows..
i gotta find a spoiler too man..
i just love civics with huge ass spoilers on the trunk


on the real though.. whats a fustercluk?>.. clusterfuck?...

[Jankenshank]

is he being serious?
i can't tell....

[Deentwon]

is he being serious?
i can't tell....ha
about what?..

[Jankenshank]

Deentwon

Jankenshank wrote:
is he being serious?
i can't tell....ha
about what?..

about everything....

sorry if you are serious but it's so stupid!!!

[Deentwon]

lol i no
i just figured that everyone thought i was tryin to be ricy so i just went along with it
i really just wanna shave my door handles(cuz theyre fuckin up anyways) and paint it and swap the engine.. also some carbon fiber would be nice
i wanna paint it like a blood red or somethin.. like a little different than the stock red thats on it now..
but id like red with a cf hood trunk and lip with some black wheels.. just gotta find all this for the right price

[Jankenshank]

[insert sigh of relief here]

YAY sounds good. :D appy thats its not rice!

[Deentwon]

lol yeh
who doesnt want a ricey car right?...
ha jp man
but i need to get started on it soon though.. tryin to get in some highschool car shows round here.. siegels is the 17 of october so i need a good bit done by then.



also.. is it ricey that i have a big system in there or is that just unwanted by most ppl on here?>.

[mintygood]

lol yeh
who doesnt want a ricey car right?...
ha jp man
but i need to get started on it soon though.. tryin to get in some highschool car shows round here.. siegels is the 17 of october so i need a good bit done by then.



also.. is it ricey that i have a big system in there or is that just unwanted by most ppl on here?>.


It's not ricey.....you just look like a hood rat when you go down the road with your stereo cranked and your trunk rattling

btw tires are wheels are 2 diff things :P

[Deentwon]

i no theyre different.
my trunk wont rattle much here in a while.. gotta seal it off
but its clean though.. i dont no anyone else with 6 12's in a civic..

[Mitch Detailed]

well i was thinkin like chrome 18's or like yellow american racing rims ya no?...
and definitely gotta have the matchin underglows..
i gotta find a spoiler too man..
i just love civics with huge ass spoilers on the trunk


on the real though.. whats a fustercluk?>.. clusterfuck?...

yes a clusterfuck.

and dont forget the NO2 stickers and the body vinyl. oh yea and flames.

[Deentwon]

well i was thinkin like chrome 18's or like yellow american racing rims ya no?...
and definitely gotta have the matchin underglows..
i gotta find a spoiler too man..
i just love civics with huge ass spoilers on the trunk


on the real though.. whats a fustercluk?>.. clusterfuck?...

yes a clusterfuck.

and dont forget the NO2 stickers and the body vinyl. oh yea and flames.
hm.. well i dunno what a clusterfuck is.. but
i was gonna get the biggest NOS sticker i could get for the rear window.. and then every performance part i had i was gonna put a sticker on my windows.. then my license plate would be RCR4Lfe

[FNEG]

http://exclusiveautomotive.blogspot.com/2007/03/1993-honda-civic-with-s2000-engine-yes.html

here's your hero man s2000 power with all the bump you need but this isn't cheap lol

[slovette]

frankenstein?? LOL

[Mitch Detailed]

hm.. well i dunno what a clusterfuck is.. but...

hmm, well it doesn't sound like you know what a frankenstein is either... :wink:

[Deentwon]

its not from the motor.. the guy who had it before me cracked the front bumper so he stitched it up with zip ties and it looks kinda like frankensteins mouth.. idk its just a nickname we gave it

[mintygood]

http://exclusiveautomotive.blogspot.com/2007/03/1993-honda-civic-with-s2000-engine-yes.html

here's your hero man s2000 power with all the bump you need but this isn't cheap lol

although that EG hatch on the site looks like fucking shit, he did a very good job on the dash swap...I want one.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/2196000-2196999/2196304_7_full.jpg

[Deentwon]

ok.. thought of a new plan til i get more money.. this guy i no is sellin a d series vtec head for 50 so im thinkin of buy that for a while then gettin a b16 block..
if i do buy it what all will i need
gasket?.. will i need a new distributor or intake manifold or anything like that?

[mintygood]

ok.. thought of a new plan til i get more money.. this guy i no is sellin a d series vtec head for 50 so im thinkin of buy that for a while then gettin a b16 block..
if i do buy it what all will i need
gasket?.. will i need a new distributor or intake manifold or anything like that?

good god you need to do some research.

if you are getting a z6 head then you need the head and a dizzy. your current intake manifold will bolt up but you might as well get the z6 one for better flow. also, every time of replace something like that, you need to replace the gasket. you will also need to yank the oil plug from the block and wire up vtak. you might as well replace the timing belt while the heads off.

if on the other hand you are buying a y8 then you will have to do some extra wiring for obd2 i think (could be wrong, no experience with obd2 motors)

[Deentwon]

alright..
i already told dude i wasnt gonna buy it and save up my money for a b16..
i cut my old harness anyways for the vtec sensor ..
i knew i was gonna need a new gasket though

[FNEG]

http://exclusiveautomotive.blogspot.com/2007/03/1993-honda-civic-with-s2000-engine-yes.html

here's your hero man s2000 power with all the bump you need but this isn't cheap lol

although that EG hatch on the site looks like fucking shit, he did a very good job on the dash swap...I want one.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/2196000-2196999/2196304_7_full.jpg

true the car is rice but the motor is sweet and the dash and that is about it

[mintygood]

I really really would like to find a project log on this....I would love to have a s2k dash in my hatch

[yeahsirb16]

i got the s2000 cluster ONLY in my civic Si dont know about the whole dash swap... and the lime green... and the reason they call them lambo doors is because thats what the belong on! put a H series B series or if you spending big K swap!!!

[Deentwon]

i got the s2000 cluster ONLY in my civic Si dont know about the whole dash swap... and the lime green... and the reason they call them lambo doors is because thats what the belong on! put a H series B series or if you spending big K swap!!!
yea idk about lime green either.. but i need to do a b 16 cuz i just bought some pistons for one but h is too expensive and k... hell nah.. i dont make that much

[FNEG]

h is to exspensive hell it cost the same as a b swap and it sounds like you need to sell the pistons and start with the basics first

[Deentwon]

dang.. i meant rods.. but what u mean by basics? harness? block?..

[Deentwon]

after a lot of thinkin i still cant decide whether or not i wanna build and engine.. or gradually build mine.. idk cuz id be droppin everydollar i got just to get the engine done.. idk

[FNEG]

dang.. i meant rods.. but what u mean by basics? harness? block?..

basic bolt-ons header, exaust, spark wires, start away from the motor and work your way in

[Deentwon]

ah. soundsgood but i was thinkin inside -out would be betterwell.. idk
i might buy this z6 head.. and get rods pistons and a crank and put em in when i put the head on

[Deentwon]

so0.. this new idea.. sounds pretty good to me.. seems easy and cheap.. which is what i need.
a few questions though.. will my alternator distributor starter and intake manny all fit on this block?
also.. what all would i need to do this
learn me up plz

[mintygood]

ah. soundsgood but i was thinkin inside -out would be betterwell.. idk
i might buy this z6 head.. and get rods pistons and a crank and put em in when i put the head on

you need to do some major research son. I don't want to see you posting up here asking what you can do after you destroy your motor because you don't torque your rods to spec.

you're going to have to pull the motor. Not only that but if you have even a little bit of sense in you then you will take the block to the shop and get it honed/cleaned. you will also have to get the pistons pressed into the rod unless you are using a floating wristpin. While all of this bullshit is being done you might as well replace all of the seals and gaskets. I think that you might get in over your head unless you realize what you are actually going to have to do.

No matter what anyone says, this will cost you a lot of money. I have spent about 700 bucks on my z6 so far and its just sitting on an engine stand in my dorm nowhere near being done.

[Deentwon]

well.. i need my car to drive.. so i dont have a week or so to let it sit while the motor is gettin worked on.. i dont wanna spend months and months on buildin a motor in my garage either.. i figure itd be easier to build the motor i have cuz i already for the stuff i need like mounts and little stuff like that.. and i dont think i could run a turbo on a stock motor like mine.?.

[FNEG]

honda-tech.com

here is a good site for you to spend time on searching till your eyes are burning anything you want to know will be here but search for your answers don't just ask or every one will be a jack ass to you on there( well hell any forum)

[Deentwon]

honda-tech.com

here is a good site for you to spend time on searching till your eyes are burning anything you want to know will be here but search for your answers don't just ask or every one will be a jack ass to you on there( well hell any forum)yea ive found that out

[mintygood]

well.. i need my car to drive.. so i dont have a week or so to let it sit while the motor is gettin worked on.. i dont wanna spend months and months on buildin a motor in my garage either.. i figure itd be easier to build the motor i have cuz i already for the stuff i need like mounts and little stuff like that.. and i dont think i could run a turbo on a stock motor like mine.?.

to build your d16 and do all of the internal shit that you want to do you are going to have to pull the motor and send it off to a show for up to 3-4 weeks....building an engine isn't a weekend job.

[Deentwon]

its a d15.. but i guess it matters the same..
but theres no way around that?..

[mintygood]

you still want to do rods and pistons?

[Deentwon]

you still want to do rods and pistons?well.. what coult i put in there to actually make a difference without havin to go through a lot of trouble?.

[mintygood]

you still want to do rods and pistons?well.. what coult i put in there to actually make a difference without havin to go through a lot of trouble?.

ok well let me shed some light on how much trouble doing rods and pistons in a d15 would be. You would have to buy a rebuild kit with all seals, gaskets, water pump, timing belt, etc. You would have to buy pistons as well as rods...the ONLY company that makes aftermarket rods for d15s is crower and they cost $731.00.

After you have taken out your second mortgage you can start working on the block and install your valve guide seals. The block would need to honed (bored if you buy over sized pistons) and cleaned. It would also be smart to get the threads cleaned on the bolt holes on the deck so you can install ARP headstuds to prevent head lift. You also should get your crank inspected to make sure that everything is in spec and there is no damage done to it because of possible oil starvation etc. At the shop you would also need to get the pistons attached to your $700 rods if they are semi floating (you can do it yourself if they are full floating wristpins)

You would also need arp rod bolts if you plan to boost. these are recommended to be stretched to certain length (can't remember off of the top of my head)

If you had a d16 then the rods would be about 250 if you bought tuner toys.



You can just slap the d16 head on the d15 block and not have to do block work BUT if you boost on a stock block then you are going to be sorry....b7 rods are about the thickness of those big red kindergarten pencils.

Engine building isn't a good first timer "mod"

[Deentwon]

yea i no .. so what is.?..

[mintygood]

intake exhaust header.

just do an easy swap like obd1 b16....you will be happy with the power.

you can do this in a weekend if you have all of the parts.

and DO RESEARCH...don't buy parts until you know what exactly you are doing.

[Deentwon]

intake exhaust header.

just do an easy swap like obd1 b16....you will be happy with the power.

you can do this in a weekend if you have all of the parts.

and DO RESEARCH...don't buy parts until you know what exactly you are doing.
well i already got intake exhaust and header on my d15.. but i was thinkin of doin a b16 swap.. i just dont have a lot of money.. im poor..

[mintygood]

intake exhaust header.

just do an easy swap like obd1 b16....you will be happy with the power.

you can do this in a weekend if you have all of the parts.

and DO RESEARCH...don't buy parts until you know what exactly you are doing.
well i already got intake exhaust and header on my d15.. but i was thinkin of doin a b16 swap.. i just dont have a lot of money.. im poor..

Well I don't know what to tell you...building/swapping engines is expensive o.O

[Deentwon]

yeh i no.. not such a total mindblower on that one..
i can boost it.. i already got intake and exhaust.. maybe one of them cf intakes?..eh.. weight reduction is practically pointless at this state seein as in i have about 200 pounds of stereo equipment in there.. eh well cf hood and trunk.. i need em anyways so i guess ill start lookin for those.. but i already got the vtek head..

[mintygood]

All of those mods such as CF hood and whale penis intakes will make an extremely minute difference. I would just save up some money and deal with being slow. I have a b7 in my hatch and don't really give a shit because it gets 35 mpg and it is extremely reliable. The point is...it will due until I finish building my z6

[Deentwon]

yea.. but i guess i am not experienced enuff to build an engine in my garage nor do i have the time to build it with my patience bein so thin with all this.. i just wanna get it done.... damn
i just dont no what to do..
no more suggestions for the time being?..

[Laosakademiks]

mintygood put out good info so far.

you can only go so far with being cheap and trying to spend the least amount of money. spend the money once so you wont have to spend it twice. know what you want...have a goal!. and decide what series you want to stay in. i dont see why you have b16 parts and then decide to get a d series head.if you start being cheap and halfassing..you actually spend more than doing it right

and no offense denton but your still a newbie.if you have to ask how to internally build a motor on tennspeed..you shouldnt be thinking about building a block...thats a different ball game.stick to d-series. you could do a mini-me setup on the b7 and throw on a turbo kit..but having a good reliable turbo setup cost money
..so lesson

everything cost money so get the idea of being cheap and fast out of your head.

[Deentwon]

i got the b16 rods cuz i was pretty sure i was gonna do a b16 swap.. plans kinda changed on me and i figured it would be a cheaper and easier plan to somewhat build my d series.. i dont try to make it like im not a newbie cuz i no i am.. i just wanna learn and i never have time.. readin all those threads on hondatech doesnt help me too much either . im a better visual learner
what would u do in my position ?

[mintygood]

I would read every thread on d-series.org and I would save money with the goal of having a sick car...

even if you go with the b16 you will still benefit from reading on d-series.org....It is a GREAT site and the skills used to build a d series are essentially the same needed to build a B.

you can do it!

[Laosakademiks]

get the head cleaned/resurfaced. get some arp headstuds. oem honda headgasket waterpump and timing belt. i would personally do arp rod bolts..but thats too advance for you. get a nice turbo kit...try to put down 200-225 with a good tune

or if the b7 is in good condition.just turbo it and try to put 200-225 down

just goes to show..all that simple stuff i just listed..youll spend atleast 2k easy.

[Deentwon]

ok man ill give it a shot
what do u think would be the cheapest/easiest way to go?
im not lookin to gain hundreds of horsepower.. just enough to keep up with maybe a b18?..

[Deentwon]

get the head cleaned/resurfaced. get some arp headstuds. oem honda headgasket waterpump and timing belt. i would personally do arp rod bolts..but thats too advance for you. get a nice turbo kit...try to put down 200-225 with a good tune

or if the b7 is in good condition.just turbo it and try to put 200-225 down

just goes to show..all that simple stuff i just listed..youll spend atleast 2k easy.holy shit :shock:

[Laosakademiks]

when you say b18, your talking about tons of motors. imo a turbo-d setup will walk on all of them all day. unless they have a badass n/a setup.

[Deentwon]

well all i reall care about is beatin tyler lol
just to piss him off ha
but idk i dont really have a goal besides more power.. maybe.. 180 -200?..

[capone]

ok man ill give it a shot
what do u think would be the cheapest/easiest way to go?
im not lookin to gain hundreds of horsepower.. just enough to keep up with maybe a b18?..

lol dude he just said you cant go the cheapest way.

[Deentwon]

ok man ill give it a shot
what do u think would be the cheapest/easiest way to go?
im not lookin to gain hundreds of horsepower.. just enough to keep up with maybe a b18?..

lol dude he just said you cant go the cheapest way.well theres gotta be an expensive good way and a cheap good way.. if not then that sucks

[capone]

hey denton. look outside your window.

now look at the black car across the street.

mmmmmmmmmm yeaaaaaa *deep voice* hahahaha.

[Deentwon]

that black car across the street has a fucked up header
but its all good
i no ure car would rape me now but i will have somethin faster..
mark my words u bastard

[capone]

that black car across the street has a fucked up header
but its all good
i no ure car would rape me now but i will have somethin faster..
mark my words u bastard

lmao dude i dont even care if you win. i hope you do build a d better than the gsr. it would be sick!

[Deentwon]

yea i kinda wanna beat u but it dont matter to me that bad lol
i just think itd be funny to make fun of u if my car was faster lol
does that make me an ass?..
but it would be sick if i did.. i just dont no about sendin the block off to get worked on.. i need a car..

[Laosakademiks]

wow all this to beat tyler? throw a dry shot on it and call it a day.
...
...besides..you guys dont wanna play whos the fastest in hawksridge with me :P

[capone]

just start messin with the head... ill help if you need it. i got my own plans tho =)

[capone]

wow all this to beat tyler? throw a dry shot on it and call it a day.
...
...besides..you guys dont wanna play whos the fastest in hawksridge with me :P

im to afraid to ride down your road.... hahaha

[Deentwon]

wow all this to beat tyler? throw a dry shot on it and call it a day.
...
...besides..you guys dont wanna play whos the fastest in hawksridge with me :P
ive never been a fan of nitrous..

[Deentwon]

just start messin with the head... ill help if you need it. i got my own plans tho =)
word ill hit u up next time i toy with it..

[Deentwon]

wow all this to beat tyler? throw a dry shot on it and call it a day.
...
...besides..you guys dont wanna play whos the fastest in hawksridge with me :P

im to afraid to ride down your road.... hahaha
x2 lol
what u got nowadays?..

[sil84]

if you cheap out a blow your engine up you will be crying when you have to rebuild it and find another so don't cheap out.

do it right or do it twice.

[mintygood]

if you cheap out a blow your engine up you will be crying when you have to rebuild it and find another so don't cheap out.

do it right or do it twice.
quoted for truth

[Deentwon]

if you cheap out a blow your engine up you will be crying when you have to rebuild it and find another so don't cheap out.

do it right or do it twice.
so ive been told.. well i guess ill just have to settle for that.. well
where do i start is my next question?.. somewhat build the d or attempt to build a b16?..

[Laosakademiks]

teaser...
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a220/LaosAkademiks/DSC02873.jpg

my next setup should be done in about 1-2 months. this is an example of when i say doing stuff right takes time. ive been doing this setup for almost 2 years now.

[Deentwon]

teaser...
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a220/LaosAkademiks/DSC02873.jpg

my next setup should be done in about 1-2 months. this is an example of when i say doing stuff right takes time. ive been doing this setup for almost 2 years now.
nice
what is it?.. lol

[mintygood]

get the head cleaned/resurfaced. get some arp headstuds. oem honda headgasket waterpump and timing belt. i would personally do arp rod bolts..but thats too advance for you. get a nice turbo kit...try to put down 200-225 with a good tune

or if the b7 is in good condition.just turbo it and try to put 200-225 down

just goes to show..all that simple stuff i just listed..youll spend atleast 2k easy.

are you retarded?

the z6 rods are good to 220 hp....if you tried to do that with a b7 you would blow the engine faster than you could say hot damn I just wasted 3k.

good tune does not = strong rods

[capone]

teaser...
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a220/LaosAkademiks/DSC02873.jpg

my next setup should be done in about 1-2 months. this is an example of when i say doing stuff right takes time. ive been doing this setup for almost 2 years now.
nice
what is it?.. lol

i dont think your supposed to know lol.

[Laosakademiks]

golden eagle sleeved ls block. eagle rods, wiseco piston. laskey racing micropolished/balanced crank. etc etc.

[Deentwon]

golden eagle sleeved ls blcok. eagle rods, wiseo piston. laskey racing micropolished/balanced crank. etc etc.
word.. b16 head right?..

[Laosakademiks]

get the head cleaned/resurfaced. get some arp headstuds. oem honda headgasket waterpump and timing belt. i would personally do arp rod bolts..but thats too advance for you. get a nice turbo kit...try to put down 200-225 with a good tune

or if the b7 is in good condition.just turbo it and try to put 200-225 down

just goes to show..all that simple stuff i just listed..youll spend atleast 2k easy.

are you retarded?

the z6 rods are good to 220 hp....if you tried to do that with a b7 you would blow the engine faster than you could say hot damn I just wasted 3k.

good tune does not = strong rods
..are you serious?..im the last person you wanna call retarded. im not even gonna argue cause im not even gonna get into it.

and for the record. rods arent the weakpoint..the rod bolts are.

[mintygood]

get the head cleaned/resurfaced. get some arp headstuds. oem honda headgasket waterpump and timing belt. i would personally do arp rod bolts..but thats too advance for you. get a nice turbo kit...try to put down 200-225 with a good tune

or if the b7 is in good condition.just turbo it and try to put 200-225 down

just goes to show..all that simple stuff i just listed..youll spend atleast 2k easy.

are you retarded?

the z6 rods are good to 220 hp....if you tried to do that with a b7 you would blow the engine faster than you could say hot damn I just wasted 3k.

good tune does not = strong rods
..are you serious?..im the last person you wanna call retarded. im not even gonna argue cause im not even gonna get into it.

and for the record. rods arent the weakpoint..the rod bolts are.

No actually you are quite wrong. If you check any site that specializes in d series then you will see that each rod has a limit....if rods aren't the weak point then why do people get stronger rods? With your philosophy I could run 300 hp on stock z6 rods as long as I get some arps right?


yeah dude try to push 220 hp on a b7 and let me know how much money you've wasted in the end.

[sil84]

to be honest this thread is retarded no matter what we all say it is gona be the same thing over and over again.

how can i cheap out

how can i cheap out

not being a d*ck but honestly if you don't want to spend money don't try to build it if i was you i would try to find a whole d16z6 put arp headbolts and headstuds put in some forged piston and rods and slap a turbo on it get it tuned and call it a day. cheapest way out 2-3k max but would be worth it.

[Laosakademiks]

get the head cleaned/resurfaced. get some arp headstuds. oem honda headgasket waterpump and timing belt. i would personally do arp rod bolts..but thats too advance for you. get a nice turbo kit...try to put down 200-225 with a good tune

or if the b7 is in good condition.just turbo it and try to put 200-225 down

just goes to show..all that simple stuff i just listed..youll spend atleast 2k easy.

are you retarded?

the z6 rods are good to 220 hp....if you tried to do that with a b7 you would blow the engine faster than you could say hot damn I just wasted 3k.

good tune does not = strong rods
..are you serious?..im the last person you wanna call retarded. im not even gonna argue cause im not even gonna get into it.

and for the record. rods arent the weakpoint..the rod bolts are.

No actually you are quite wrong. If you check any site that specializes in d series then you will see that each rod has a limit....if rods aren't the weak point then why do people get stronger rods? With your philosophy I could run 300 hp on stock z6 rods as long as I get some arps right?


yeah dude try to push 220 hp on a b7 and let me know how much money you've wasted in the end.
stock rods are weak. but what fails first...rods or rod bolts?so your saying..as soon as i hit 221 on a z6..the motor will take a shit. now is that 220 on a mustang dyno or dynojet? or are you taking in all the hype on the internet saying thats the limit. i know that b7,z6 rods are weak...why do you think i suggest those numbers instead of 300. if i said 300 i would said do some eagle/vitara set up. but for the b7..your right and in saying that crower is one of the few, if not only companies that makes rods for b7...but fjt is coming out with a cheap forged rod for the b7 here soon.

and as far as stock rods holding up to 300. i could do a ls/vtec with rod bolts..headstuds.etc etc and call it a day

[mintygood]

get the head cleaned/resurfaced. get some arp headstuds. oem honda headgasket waterpump and timing belt. i would personally do arp rod bolts..but thats too advance for you. get a nice turbo kit...try to put down 200-225 with a good tune

or if the b7 is in good condition.just turbo it and try to put 200-225 down

just goes to show..all that simple stuff i just listed..youll spend atleast 2k easy.

are you retarded?

the z6 rods are good to 220 hp....if you tried to do that with a b7 you would blow the engine faster than you could say hot damn I just wasted 3k.

good tune does not = strong rods
..are you serious?..im the last person you wanna call retarded. im not even gonna argue cause im not even gonna get into it.

and for the record. rods arent the weakpoint..the rod bolts are.

No actually you are quite wrong. If you check any site that specializes in d series then you will see that each rod has a limit....if rods aren't the weak point then why do people get stronger rods? With your philosophy I could run 300 hp on stock z6 rods as long as I get some arps right?


yeah dude try to push 220 hp on a b7 and let me know how much money you've wasted in the end.
stock rods are weak. but what fails first...rods or rod bolts?so your saying..as soon as i hit 221 on a z6..the motor will take a shit. now is that 220 on a mustang dyno or dynojet? or are you taking in all the hype on the internet saying thats the limit. i know that b7,z6 rods are weak...why do you think i suggest those numbers instead of 300. if i said 300 i would said do some eagle/vitara set up. but for the b7..your right and in saying that crower is one of the few, if not only companies that makes rods for b7...but fjt is coming out with a cheap forged rod for the b7 here soon.

and as far as stock rods holding up to 300. i could do a ls/vtec with rod bolts..headstuds.etc etc and call it a day

you may be right in that the bolts will die FIRST but if you did upgrade the bolts the rods would STILL FAIL. Even though the rods would not fail first doesn't mean the won't fail if you take the bolts out of the equation. Don't try to speak technicalities, you know that the failure of rods is expressed in the general realm of a certain horsepower.

z6 rods are knows to be good until 200-220. b7 rods are FAR thinner and cannot handle as much. Why would you even bother with putting some used LS rods in a d16 when you can buy TT hbeams for 250

Oh yeah, and fjt has been "coming out with" cheap rods for the b7 for years.

[Laosakademiks]

get the head cleaned/resurfaced. get some arp headstuds. oem honda headgasket waterpump and timing belt. i would personally do arp rod bolts..but thats too advance for you. get a nice turbo kit...try to put down 200-225 with a good tune

or if the b7 is in good condition.just turbo it and try to put 200-225 down

just goes to show..all that simple stuff i just listed..youll spend atleast 2k easy.

are you retarded?

the z6 rods are good to 220 hp....if you tried to do that with a b7 you would blow the engine faster than you could say hot damn I just wasted 3k.

good tune does not = strong rods
..are you serious?..im the last person you wanna call retarded. im not even gonna argue cause im not even gonna get into it.

and for the record. rods arent the weakpoint..the rod bolts are.

No actually you are quite wrong. If you check any site that specializes in d series then you will see that each rod has a limit....if rods aren't the weak point then why do people get stronger rods? With your philosophy I could run 300 hp on stock z6 rods as long as I get some arps right?


yeah dude try to push 220 hp on a b7 and let me know how much money you've wasted in the end.
stock rods are weak. but what fails first...rods or rod bolts?so your saying..as soon as i hit 221 on a z6..the motor will take a shit. now is that 220 on a mustang dyno or dynojet? or are you taking in all the hype on the internet saying thats the limit. i know that b7,z6 rods are weak...why do you think i suggest those numbers instead of 300. if i said 300 i would said do some eagle/vitara set up. but for the b7..your right and in saying that crower is one of the few, if not only companies that makes rods for b7...but fjt is coming out with a cheap forged rod for the b7 here soon.

and as far as stock rods holding up to 300. i could do a ls/vtec with rod bolts..headstuds.etc etc and call it a day

you may be right in that the bolts will die FIRST but if you did upgrade the bolts the rods would STILL FAIL. Even though the rods would not fail first doesn't mean the won't fail if you take the bolts out of the equation. Don't try to speak technicalities, you know that the failure of rods is expressed in the general realm of a certain horsepower.

z6 rods are knows to be good until 200-220. b7 rods are FAR thinner and cannot handle as much. Why would you even bother with putting some used LS rods in a d16 when you can buy TT hbeams for 250

Oh yeah, and fjt has been "coming out with" cheap rods for the b7 for years.

nobody said anything about putting ls rods in a d series. i said if i had a ls/vtec setup with rods bolts..i could hit 300 all day and have good peace of mind.
im a firm believer on everybody's case is different.a b7 with"220" will last longer in my opinion with a easy driver then a z6 driver that pounds every second with 210hp.if billy bob hits 200 on a mustang dyno,wont he be defying gravity since he hit more than 220 on a dynojet?..every case is different.

[mintygood]

get the head cleaned/resurfaced. get some arp headstuds. oem honda headgasket waterpump and timing belt. i would personally do arp rod bolts..but thats too advance for you. get a nice turbo kit...try to put down 200-225 with a good tune

or if the b7 is in good condition.just turbo it and try to put 200-225 down

just goes to show..all that simple stuff i just listed..youll spend atleast 2k easy.

are you retarded?

the z6 rods are good to 220 hp....if you tried to do that with a b7 you would blow the engine faster than you could say hot damn I just wasted 3k.

good tune does not = strong rods
..are you serious?..im the last person you wanna call retarded. im not even gonna argue cause im not even gonna get into it.

and for the record. rods arent the weakpoint..the rod bolts are.

No actually you are quite wrong. If you check any site that specializes in d series then you will see that each rod has a limit....if rods aren't the weak point then why do people get stronger rods? With your philosophy I could run 300 hp on stock z6 rods as long as I get some arps right?


yeah dude try to push 220 hp on a b7 and let me know how much money you've wasted in the end.
stock rods are weak. but what fails first...rods or rod bolts?so your saying..as soon as i hit 221 on a z6..the motor will take a shit. now is that 220 on a mustang dyno or dynojet? or are you taking in all the hype on the internet saying thats the limit. i know that b7,z6 rods are weak...why do you think i suggest those numbers instead of 300. if i said 300 i would said do some eagle/vitara set up. but for the b7..your right and in saying that crower is one of the few, if not only companies that makes rods for b7...but fjt is coming out with a cheap forged rod for the b7 here soon.

and as far as stock rods holding up to 300. i could do a ls/vtec with rod bolts..headstuds.etc etc and call it a day

you may be right in that the bolts will die FIRST but if you did upgrade the bolts the rods would STILL FAIL. Even though the rods would not fail first doesn't mean the won't fail if you take the bolts out of the equation. Don't try to speak technicalities, you know that the failure of rods is expressed in the general realm of a certain horsepower.

z6 rods are knows to be good until 200-220. b7 rods are FAR thinner and cannot handle as much. Why would you even bother with putting some used LS rods in a d16 when you can buy TT hbeams for 250

Oh yeah, and fjt has been "coming out with" cheap rods for the b7 for years.

nobody said anything about putting ls rods in a d series. i said if i had a ls/vtec setup with rods bolts..i could hit 300 all day and have good peace of mind.
im a firm believer on everybody's case is different.a b7 with"220" will last longer in my opinion with a easy driver then a z6 driver that pounds every second with 210hp.if billy bob hits 200 on a mustang dyno,wont he be defying gravity since he hit more than 220 on a dynojet?..every case is different.

a b7 with "220" and an "easy driver" won't be "220" since an easy driver would never rev high enough to get enough spool for 220. You are failing right now. I'll respond to the next post if you decide to use legit points rather than trying to argue technicalities about different dynos and diff horsepower readouts.

[Laosakademiks]

mintygood put out good info so far.

you can only go so far with being cheap and trying to spend the least amount of money. spend the money once so you wont have to spend it twice. know what you want...have a goal!. and decide what series you want to stay in. i dont see why you have b16 parts and then decide to get a d series head.if you start being cheap and halfassing..you actually spend more than doing it right

and no offense denton but your still a newbie.if you have to ask how to internally build a motor on tennspeed..you shouldnt be thinking about building a block...thats a different ball game.stick to d-series. you could do a mini-me setup on the b7 and throw on a turbo kit..but having a good reliable turbo setup cost money
..so lesson

everything cost money so get the idea of being cheap and fast out of your head.

ok so lets go back to my original suggestion on mini-me turbo. but of course you cant hit 220 on a mini-me turbo..its never been done before. hp isnt the same on everybodys setup. what if bill had a t25 and bob had a t3/t4..everyone knows that theyll make 220hp at the same powerband :roll: .idk know why im arguing about d-series cause i could give a flying f**k but i could support my argument all day. yes you could hit 220 on a b7 but for how long..yes you can hit 220 on a z6 but for how long. nothing is set in stone and thats what im trying to prove.every case is different

[mintygood]

mintygood put out good info so far.

you can only go so far with being cheap and trying to spend the least amount of money. spend the money once so you wont have to spend it twice. know what you want...have a goal!. and decide what series you want to stay in. i dont see why you have b16 parts and then decide to get a d series head.if you start being cheap and halfassing..you actually spend more than doing it right

and no offense denton but your still a newbie.if you have to ask how to internally build a motor on tennspeed..you shouldnt be thinking about building a block...thats a different ball game.stick to d-series. you could do a mini-me setup on the b7 and throw on a turbo kit..but having a good reliable turbo setup cost money
..so lesson

everything cost money so get the idea of being cheap and fast out of your head.

ok so lets go back to my original suggestion on mini-me turbo. but of course you cant hit 220 on a mini-me turbo..its never been done before. hp isnt the same on everybodys setup. what if bill had a t25 and bob had a t3/t4..everyone knows that theyll make 220hp at the same powerband :roll: .idk know why im arguing about d-series cause i could give a flying f**k but i could support my argument all day. yes you could hit 220 on a b7 but for how long..yes you can hit 220 on a z6 but for how long. nothing is set in stone and thats what im trying to prove.every case is different

If you can support your argument all day then why don't you? I'm honestly intrigued because first you said that you could put 220 down with a b7 and a "good tune" inferring that it would be reliable and now that you have been back into a corner where you have nothing except for some discrepancies between two types of dynos you say that it can hit 220 but at the cost of not knowing when it will take a shit on you. You also didn't even mention fuel management. So how do you think that engine will do with stock injectors and pump? Maybe you will get lucky and throw a rod due to the weak bolts before you lean out and destroy the entire engine.

[Laosakademiks]

im saying anthing can be done.your saying like everything has to be a certain way cause the internet says so. and i say everybody is different.and nobody was talking about fuel setup but since you brought it up. why on b-series is it that there could be people maxing out their fuel system on 1000cc injectors at max duty cycle 550hp but then you have people running 650 on 1000's.why are people maxing out their walbros then others make it to 680.plain and simple, nobodys setup is the same. i could really care less about the max power on a b7...cause in the end..its a b7.peace...going to bed.ill continue tomorrow if you still wanna debate.

[Deentwon]

ok
so seein as in i am still inexperienced with buildin motors.. what do yall think would be a good startin point.. work on the d series thats in my car or attempt to build a b16 while i still drive the slow d?.or seein as in the money situation is a little tight.. theres that d16y8 for sale on here.. would that be a good option?

[SloREX]

get the y8 and start the build while u drive the d15.. just dont be lazy on it and give up or u will realize u wasted a lot of money

[itsallme.NWH]

are you being for real about the bodykit , paint ,and doorhandles ?

[Deentwon]

get the y8 and start the build while u drive the d15.. just dont be lazy on it and give up or u will realize u wasted a lot of money
thats exactly what im thinkin

[Deentwon]

are you being for real about the bodykit , paint ,and doorhandles ?
if i can find a bodykit thats real low key and not ricey i might do it.. id rather find a carbon fiber lip and call it a day.. the paint.. idk i gotta let my boss decide cuz he's doin it and he dont want to so i almost gotta let him do what he wants
and the handles yea. my driver side handle is already screwed up so i'm gonna shave em and call it a day..
they want it to be a potential show car for the store cuz we have a muscle car a truck a hummer a benz and a loud ass crx so they wanna do somethin with mine thats a little different

[redtop240]

*forehead slap* fail

[Deentwon]

what?.. the door handles?

[Mitch Detailed]

all aboard the fail boat.

:thumbdown:

[Deentwon]

idk man.. itll get done i just dunno the color of the paint.. and i told my boss i wasnt doin the body kit.. but whats wrong with the shaved handles?..

[Deentwon]

just finished tuckin the wires on the driver side for the lights.. found out the ground was bad on the corner light..

[mintygood]

idk man.. itll get done i just dunno the color of the paint.. and i told my boss i wasnt doin the body kit.. but whats wrong with the shaved handles?..

they look stupid as hell....it would be cheaper to buy a used door then to shave the handles and buy the popping mechanism

[Deentwon]

idk man.. itll get done i just dunno the color of the paint.. and i told my boss i wasnt doin the body kit.. but whats wrong with the shaved handles?..

they look stupid as hell....it would be cheaper to buy a used door then to shave the handles and buy the popping mechanism
its 132 for the whole thing new but my boss says we have the solenoids and poppers at the store..

[mintygood]

idk man.. itll get done i just dunno the color of the paint.. and i told my boss i wasnt doin the body kit.. but whats wrong with the shaved handles?..

they look stupid as hell....it would be cheaper to buy a used door then to shave the handles and buy the popping mechanism
its 132 for the whole thing new but my boss says we have the solenoids and poppers at the store..

or you can just buy a new door for maybe 50 bucks and not look like a retard

[Deentwon]

i think it wouldn't look too bad without door handles

[mintygood]

i think it wouldn't look too bad without door handles
if you like them then do them. it's your car.

[Deentwon]

yeh
i like em i just gotta get my boss around to helpin me put em in
i prolly wont do the lambo doors though..unless my boss wants to pay for em . those are too expensive..

[capone]

yeh
i like em i just gotta get my boss around to helpin me put em in
i prolly wont do the lambo doors though..unless my boss wants to pay for em . those are too expensive..

denton denton denton. shouldnt have mentioned the lambo's. lol.

[Deentwon]

dude
idk
idk if i want em..
i mean
theyre expensive and i dont wanna pay for em so if my boss pays.. i guess ill take em

[KillerRabbit]

If you need any D-series parts let me know, i spent 2600 on my block. its built, but its all motor not low comp.

As Mintygood was saying about traction issues.....i have a 96 ex transmission with a Quaife LSD-new bearings-Gearspeed Carbon Coated Synchros, and new seals..im selling it if interested.

I had it built and i paid 600 for the lsd not including labor. Im trying to get 800 out of it, so if your interested let me know. 0 miles are on it and i was going turbo but now im going K-series...

[Deentwon]

u got an intake manifold?.. thats the main thing im lookin for right now
what all u got?

[Deentwon]

just bought the block for 50 bucks.
pics

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh118/Deentwon/frankenstein/lsblock006.jpg
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh118/Deentwon/frankenstein/lsblock005.jpg
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh118/Deentwon/frankenstein/lsblock004.jpg
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh118/Deentwon/frankenstein/lsblock002.jpg

[mintygood]

now you get to take it apart, make sure the bearings aren't spun, hone the cylinders, make sure that rust in the cylinder isn't anything more than surface, inspect the crank, inspect the big ends on the rods, buy new piston rings, buy new bearings, buy a water pump, buy arp rod bolts, buy a crank pulley, buy a timing belt tensioner, buy a timing belt, and inspect the oil pump.

[Deentwon]

word
gotta check list now lol

[Deentwon]

anything else i can do with this block besides lsvtec that would be easier and get as much power?

[Jose-Aka-Pedro]

A turbo

:P

[egfanatic]

A turbo

:P

ls-t FTMFW

[Deentwon]

so built ls turboed?..
idk
im tryin to go all motor cuz i want this to be a reliable car

[egfanatic]

then just go high compression ls

[Deentwon]

what do u think i can get out of that and how much will it cost me
and is it easier or harder than lsvtec?

[egfanatic]

eh, hard to really say, need about the same things except run something like a p8r head instead of a vtec head, would need a different rod and piston set up, aftermarket perferably, hard to really put built motor and reliable together though.

[capone]

looks good dude. sounds like mintygood an roger an some others know what their doin so listen to em. ill help ya with anything ya need. you know where i live hahaha. RIGHT ACROSS THE MUFKA STREET MANG!

[Deentwon]

looks good dude. sounds like mintygood an roger an some others know what their doin so listen to em. ill help ya with anything ya need. you know where i live hahaha. RIGHT ACROSS THE MUFKA STREET MANG!yea man lol i need to get all the blockwork done now. thats about all i can do at the time

[Deentwon]

eh, hard to really say, need about the same things except run something like a p8r head instead of a vtec head, would need a different rod and piston set up, aftermarket perferably, hard to really put built motor and reliable together though.
for real?
i cant build my motor and it be dependable?..
also would i still be able to use my eagle arp rods ive already bought?

[T3AM SPOTLIT3]

do you want to sale that sohc motor in your car????????????????????????????????????????^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Deentwon]

do you want to sale that sohc motor in your car????????????????????????????????????????^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^hell yea mayne
as soon as i get the new engine in and runnin right..

[T3AM SPOTLIT3]

what is it,z6,y7,y8,a6 ect.

[Deentwon]

lol
sig doesnt lie..
b7 :(

[T3AM SPOTLIT3]

even better

[92vxeg]

<<<<has JE 12:1 pistons 81.5mm for sale if your lookin for high compression

[Deentwon]

<<<<has JE 12:1 pistons 81.5mm for sale if your lookin for high compression
for ls?..

[Deentwon]

even betterword
how much would u give for it?

[T3AM SPOTLIT3]

sent it a b7 i give you a ice cream for it

[Laosakademiks]

eh, hard to really say, need about the same things except run something like a p8r head instead of a vtec head, would need a different rod and piston set up, aftermarket perferably, hard to really put built motor and reliable together though.
for real?
i cant build my motor and it be dependable?..
also would i still be able to use my eagle arp rods ive already bought?
lol wtf is eagle arp rods?..eagle rods have arp rod bolts.dont think you have eagle rods though.

...deentwon, i told you time after time. its never a good idea to be cheap with motors. theres a difference between keeping a build on a resonable budget and just plain ol cheaping out. your leaning towards the cheaping out side which is something you never want to do. being in the "scene"..you have to be willing to spend the money and take your
time.when you rush things, its shows.

you brought a block for 50 bucks. i can almost gauranteed you thatll youll spend the same trying to get it right, if not more than buying a good running shortblock thats already assembled. ive been through it time after time to the point where i now spend the money right the first time, then wasting money on the 2nd time. im saying this because you save money in the long run.

wherever you got the information that turbo motors are unreliable is complete bullshit.motors are as reliable on how theyre assembled and how well theyre taken care of.i knew people that daily drove +500hp cars that lasted well over 2 years and so on. i know people that assembled stock NA motors that starts having problems because of poor assembly.

..and ls/vtec's can be just as reliable as any other motor if done right. dont listen to the hype of problems people had years and years ago.

[Deentwon]

sent it a b7 i give you a ice cream for itmake it a lifetime supply and u gotta deal

[T3AM SPOTLIT3]

we talk when your motor is out you mite need something i got for the build

[Deentwon]

eh, hard to really say, need about the same things except run something like a p8r head instead of a vtec head, would need a different rod and piston set up, aftermarket perferably, hard to really put built motor and reliable together though.
for real?
i cant build my motor and it be dependable?..
also would i still be able to use my eagle arp rods ive already bought?
lol wtf is eagle arp rods?..eagle rods have arp rod bolts.dont think you have eagle rods though.

...deentwon, i told you time after time. its never a good idea to be cheap with motors. theres a difference between keeping a build on a resonable budget and just plain ol cheaping out. your leaning towards the cheaping out side which is something you never want to do. being in the "scene"..you have to be willing to spend the money and take your
time.when you rush things, its shows.

you brought a block for 50 bucks. i can almost gauranteed you thatll youll spend the same trying to get it right, if not more than buying a good running shortblock thats already assembled. ive been through it time after time to the point where i now spend the money right the first time, then wasting money on the 2nd time. im saying this because you save money in the long run.

wherever you got the information that turbo motors are unreliable is complete bullshit.motors are as reliable on how theyre assembled and how well theyre taken care of.i knew people that daily drove +500hp cars that lasted well over 2 years and so on. i know people that assembled stock NA motors that starts having problems because of poor assembly.

..and ls/vtec's can be just as reliable as any other motor if done right. dont listen to the hype of problems people had years and years ago.on the rod bolt it says eagle 1.5 arp 2000.. idk
but with the knowledge that i have right now of buildin motors.. if u were me would u aim for a turboed motor or built one?.. i feel like if i try more shit that i've never done.. theres more of a possibility that ill screw it up..
not enough money to buy a motor straight up.. not enough income to save up for one either really.. so i have to do somethin little by little.. i dont no anything else to do..
what would u suggest

[Deentwon]

we talk when your motor is out you mite need something i got for the buildwhat u got?

[capone]

eh, hard to really say, need about the same things except run something like a p8r head instead of a vtec head, would need a different rod and piston set up, aftermarket perferably, hard to really put built motor and reliable together though.
for real?
i cant build my motor and it be dependable?..
also would i still be able to use my eagle arp rods ive already bought?
lol wtf is eagle arp rods?..eagle rods have arp rod bolts.dont think you have eagle rods though.

...deentwon, i told you time after time. its never a good idea to be cheap with motors. theres a difference between keeping a build on a resonable budget and just plain ol cheaping out. your leaning towards the cheaping out side which is something you never want to do. being in the "scene"..you have to be willing to spend the money and take your
time.when you rush things, its shows.

you brought a block for 50 bucks. i can almost gauranteed you thatll youll spend the same trying to get it right, if not more than buying a good running shortblock thats already assembled. ive been through it time after time to the point where i now spend the money right the first time, then wasting money on the 2nd time. im saying this because you save money in the long run.

wherever you got the information that turbo motors are unreliable is complete bullshit.motors are as reliable on how theyre assembled and how well theyre taken care of.i knew people that daily drove +500hp cars that lasted well over 2 years and so on. i know people that assembled stock NA motors that starts having problems because of poor assembly.

..and ls/vtec's can be just as reliable as any other motor if done right. dont listen to the hype of problems people had years and years ago.on the rod bolt it says eagle 1.5 arp 2000.. idk
but with the knowledge that i have right now of buildin motors.. if u were me would u aim for a turboed motor or built one?.. i feel like if i try more shit that i've never done.. theres more of a possibility that ill screw it up..
not enough money to buy a motor straight up.. not enough income to save up for one either really.. so i have to do somethin little by little.. i dont no anything else to do..
what would u suggest

even if it takes you months and months, little by little of quality parts is better than real quick build with ebay stuff. i plan my build to go on for a long time with my current job lol. its alright tho. i dont mind.

[Deentwon]

thats what im sayin.. ill just build it little at a time
nick jannecke said he had a few ls heads so.. im thinkin built ls.. idk how much that would cost compared to the lsvtec..

[ELI]

No offence bro...,but have you made up your mind on what You want to do...?
Any thing you do is gonna cost a little bit of cash. LS VTEC / Boosted LS or what ever....its gonna cost you.
Just be patient and think what is the best route for you. Make a list of what you want to do and think of a budget you want to spend on it.
I have another year and a half till my GSR is ready to put in my EJ1 coupe.... my motor is 95% done just waiting on paint and body really...
and little end stuff. A boosted LS are not that bad for what they are.....sorry to jump in like this but I'm going crazy with your chain being yanked left and right with all the multiple ideas. :|

[Deentwon]

No offence bro...,but have you made up your mind on what You want to do...?
Any thing you do is gonna cost a little bit of cash. LS VTEC / Boosted LS or what ever....its gonna cost you.
Just be patient and think what is the best route for you. Make a list of what you want to do and think of a budget you want to spend on it.
I have another year and a half till my GSR is ready to put in my EJ1 coupe.... my motor is 95% done just waiting on paint and body really...
and little end stuff. A boosted LS are not that bad for what they are.....sorry to jump in like this but I'm going crazy with your chain being yanked left and right with all the multiple ideas. :|
my plans only change cuz i dont no how much power i can get from one and how much the other is gonna cost..

[ELI]

What power are you looking for...?

[T3AM SPOTLIT3]

well bro gl man

this my list rule of all evil

money and power

[ELI]

Are you powering that red civic in your sig..?

[Deentwon]

yea its the one in my sig that im gonna be workin on

[ELI]

The power you want to make is only as good as your footwork on the car.....So split the money on suspension and motor. IMO.

[Deentwon]

really?.
so i could have a badass built lsv-t and it not be shit if my suspension isnt great?..

[ELI]

Think suspension travel as you change gears, if the car tilts backwards when you shift up a gear to acc....the weight transfer goes from front to the rear and then you get that great thing called wheel spin. Just make sure the bushings and suspension are the way you want it. You make the car respond to you.....dont make let the car control you.

[Deentwon]

hmm.. alright.. i was thnkin of somewhat redoin my suspension any ways
it creaks when i go over bumps and shit.. i hate the way it feels..
what do u think about sway bars and strut bars?

[ELI]

That will be up to you...Track.?...Daily?.. Circuit?

Some car's are just overkill and people put all this crap on their car's and dont understand how to read the car.

[capone]

be one with the car hahahaha

[Deentwon]

be one with the car hahahahai no right?.. lol

[Deentwon]

That will be up to you...Track.?...Daily?.. Circuit?

Some car's are just overkill and people put all this crap on their car's and dont understand how to read the car.
i just want a quick daily

[t.schultz]

in your first post you said u want to build a lsvtec? but when u started talking about it, your staying single cam? just seeing whats going on? im not going thru 9 pages of stuff, just a question tho.

[Deentwon]

cuz i was gonna slap a vtec head on my b7 til i could get the new motor ready but i figured that would be a good bit of trouble and i should save my money for the new motor

[Mitch Detailed]

so built ls turboed?..
idk
im tryin to go all motor cuz i want this to be a reliable car

ya man. NA all the way. get a 95mm stroker crank from brian crower, sleeve the block, go with a 84-85mm bore, get some exrtemely domed forged pistons for a 17:1 cr, crower maxilight rods, and all the recommended service parts for a fresh build. . .
run .0015 on the mains and .002 on the rods and replace them annually. . . .

wait... you dont have any money...

scratch that...

[mintygood]

so built ls turboed?..
idk
im tryin to go all motor cuz i want this to be a reliable car

ya man. NA all the way. get a 95mm stroker crank from brian crower, sleeve the block, go with a 84-85mm bore, get some exrtemely domed forged pistons for a 17:1 cr, crower maxilight rods, and all the recommended service parts for a fresh build. . .
run .0015 on the mains and .002 on the rods and replace them annually. . . .

wait... you dont have any money...

scratch that...
the more variables you introduce him to (ie stroker crank and new sleeves) the more shit he asks us.

[Mitch Detailed]

so built ls turboed?..
idk
im tryin to go all motor cuz i want this to be a reliable car

ya man. NA all the way. get a 95mm stroker crank from brian crower, sleeve the block, go with a 84-85mm bore, get some exrtemely domed forged pistons for a 17:1 cr, crower maxilight rods, and all the recommended service parts for a fresh build. . .
run .0015 on the mains and .002 on the rods and replace them annually. . . .

wait... you dont have any money...

scratch that...
the more variables you introduce him to (ie stroker crank and new sleeves) the more shit he asks us.

whats a variable?

[mintygood]

good lord

[ELI]

:lol:

[Mitch Detailed]

good lord

isn't that what the V stands for in VTEC?
Variable Turbo Engine Cams

[capone]

good lord

isn't that what the V stands for in VTEC?
Variable Turbo Engine Cams

:lol:

[sil84]

good lord

isn't that what the V stands for in VTEC?
Variable Turbo Engine Cams

LWAL :lol:

[Bonb]

good lord

isn't that what the V stands for in VTEC?
Variable Turbo Engine Cams

LWAL :lol:

X2...I think I'm going to die laughing at this forum

[Mitch Detailed]

good lord

isn't that what the V stands for in VTEC?
Variable Turbo Engine Cams

LWAL :lol:

X2...I think I'm going to die laughing at this forum

why you hating Bonb? lol :lol:

[KillerRabbit]

do i need to post a video of how vtec works? im about to cry, thats how hard im laughing.

here you go, understand it or ill kick you in the face.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Nipo-team-This-is-the-of_40076.htm

VTEC stands for Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control
told!!!!

[ELI]

LOL that was great , but no VvvvrrrrroooommmBAAAAAAAAAAAAAA sound.

[KillerRabbit]

ok i got that too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLg03GLPxs8

or
something that pertains to the subject
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so5QAsoiZkw&feature=related

[Deentwon]

from what i understand basically at higher rpms a part of the cams lets more air in for better compression or somethin like that.

[mintygood]

from what i understand basically at higher rpms a part of the cams lets more air in for better compression or somethin like that.
you want to build an lsvtec but don't know how one works...

[Deentwon]

yes

[mintygood]

and you wonder why people constantly tell you to do your own research..

[Mitch Detailed]

and you wonder why people constantly tell you to do your own research..

i'm tellin you man, go research the variable turbo electronic cams...

[duncan]

deentwon, when you reach the vtec apex, the vtec (some times referred to as btak, its latin name) opens up and releases tiny nos particles into the intake, instantly tripling your whp, because it opens up 4 more valves per cylinder per rpm. so basically, it makes you unbeatable. let me know if you have any other questions.

[randallss]

^^^^^ :lol: Have'nt heard that one before.

[duncan]

cause ive been drinking and just made it up, foo.

[Mitch Detailed]

quick, someone get me a drink and see what i can come up with. :lol:

[Deentwon]

let me get some of that drank..
then ill take on that gallardo ridin around town.
wait.. i dont have vtec..
shit!

[duncan]

lol. go for it man. just make sure you pick up some nos energy drink first and put it in your gas tank.

[KillerRabbit]

yea, wat he said. Dude as i said in that other post. stop wasting peoples time and start searching. dont make me post that same post i posted in the other thread you had.

[Mitch Detailed]

yea, wat he said. Dude as i said in that other post. stop wasting peoples time and start searching. dont make me post that same post i posted in the other thread you had.

exactly, if you ask a stupid question. i'm gonna give you a stupid answer.

building an engine is like playing a hard sudoku puzzle with a permanent marker. if you dont know the rules, you'll end up finishing the puzzle and it wont take you long before you figure out you just fk'd the whole thing up, and by then it's too late to turn back.

[Deentwon]

yeh.. i might just buy all the parts and pay a shop to do what i cant get done and then get someone who knows what to do to help me put it together

[Bonb]

good lord

isn't that what the V stands for in VTEC?
Variable Turbo Engine Cams

LWAL :lol:

X2...I think I'm going to die laughing at this forum

why you hating Bonb? lol :lol:

Not hating...Jus Die Laughing.LOL

[ELI]

Just got home.....this shit is still going on good lord.

[Deentwon]

Just got home.....this shit is still going on good lord.man this is gonna go on for weeks.. maybe even months

[ELI]

You will learn..... :wink:

[Deentwon]

You will learn..... :wink:im ready to.. its just that i would rather someone teach me than for me to read everything on my own.. its just easier for me that way..
anyways.. i was thinkin of startin over with what i have..
lsblock and b16 eagle rods..
what would be the easiest way to make more power than a d15b7 starting with these 2 components..
N/A..

[Laosakademiks]

You will learn..... :wink:im ready to.. its just that i would rather someone teach me than for me to read everything on my own.. its just easier for me that way..
anyways.. i was thinkin of startin over with what i have..
lsblock and b16 eagle rods..
what would be the easiest way to make more power than a d15b7 starting with these 2 components..
N/A..
:shakes head: :?

..you cant do anything with the 3 together. i really doubt you have "b16 eagle rods" but if you do,i dont see why you brought a ls block when the decks on b16s and ls are different.definitely dont wanna mess with a b7 if your trying to do a allmotor setup.deentwon..quite buying things cause you think its cheap...your actually spending money on things you dont need.

[Deentwon]

You will learn..... :wink:im ready to.. its just that i would rather someone teach me than for me to read everything on my own.. its just easier for me that way..
anyways.. i was thinkin of startin over with what i have..
lsblock and b16 eagle rods..
what would be the easiest way to make more power than a d15b7 starting with these 2 components..
N/A..
:shakes head: :?

..you cant do anything with the 3 together. i really doubt you have "b16 eagle rods" but if you do,i dont see why you brought a ls block when the decks on b16s and ls are different.definitely dont wanna mess with a b7 if your trying to do a allmotor setup.deentwon..quite buying things cause you think its cheap...your actually spending money on things you dont need.
i no i cant do anything with my motor now.. the only option from here is to either go with the ls block and my rods or sell the rods and start with a bare block..
i bought them thinkin i was gonna do a b116 swap..

[sil84]

im ready to.. its just that i would rather someone teach me than for me to read everything on my own.. its just easier for me that way..


what do you think you are doing every time you ask a question on here you are reading every thing on your own.

here is a very good read for you so you will stop asking retarded questions please read it, it tells you exactly how to build an ls-vtec step by step and is one of the simplest thing to read. so get to it.

http://honda-tech.com/zerothread/1676914

[Deentwon]

ive heard i could make an ls faster than an lsvtec.. and that it will be easier to make reliable?..
should i go for this?

[mintygood]

yea, wat he said. Dude as i said in that other post. stop wasting peoples time and start searching. dont make me post that same post i posted in the other thread you had.

exactly, if you ask a stupid question. i'm gonna give you a stupid answer.

building an engine is like playing a hard sudoku puzzle with a permanent marker. if you dont know the rules, you'll end up finishing the puzzle and it wont take you long before you figure out you just fk'd the whole thing up, and by then it's too late to turn back.
and the sudoku puzzle happens to be printed on 5 thousand dollar bill

[mintygood]

ive heard i could make an ls faster than an lsvtec.. and that it will be easier to make reliable?..
should i go for this?
you should read the god damn links that we gave you and stop making yourself look like an idiot. we give you those links to help you.

www.hondoogle.com ...its all you ever need

[92vxeg]

this thread has seriously been going in circles and plenty of good info has been shelled out for pages and all this too someone who is obiously broke and doesnt want to spend even 2k on a "build" but yet has dreams of having a fast car. If you cant pay...you cant play. I think deetwon will believe anything is faster if we tell him.

I am in full support of someone "BUILDING" their first car. But they have to want to do their own homework and research.
Ive changed my mind numerous times and have wasted money on parts to then change my mind again and lose money on them parts.

I mean the title is Lsvtec frankenstein and there is more d-series than anything.

[Deentwon]

d series?..
i mentioned that i thought about a vtec head for my d series i have now until i can get the motor done but i dont wanna spend the money on that when i could spend more on the new motor
i dont have a bunch of money now.. who does. im waitin to do it piece by piece

[Mitch Detailed]

yeh.. i might just buy all the parts and pay a shop to do what i cant get done and then get someone who knows what to do to help me put it together

i guess you'll be paying a shop to do the whole swap, installation, troubleshooting, tuning and all. cause honestly i wouldn't let you change my oil if you asked me. thats how smart you sound on here.

heres what you sound like:
"so i'm wanting to make my car fast and i heard "x" option will work. how do i do this. can someone hold my hand and tell me everything i need to do, cause i'm soo lazy i wont accomplish anything without someone doing it for me."

2 posts later, "well i want to scratch "x" option, cause i heard "y" option works better. now i'm needing 2 people to hold my hand cause this sounds harder."

2 posts later, "well i bought option "z" pistons when im going to go for option "y", this will work right? someone please flame me cause i'm a noob..."

2 posts later, "well i might be a noob, but my boi's know what theyre doing, they replaced their battery once so i'm sure they can help me out."
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/4877/sailboat111200tzvl9.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/)

[mintygood]

all aboard

[spoolie]

tired of this bullshit....make up your mind...go get the books first...then re-post