Deft Motion Track Services

[DeftHand]

Corner Balancing - $200

The most overlooked aspect of car’s handling is corner balancing. Corner balancing can only be done on cars equipped with adjustable ride height. Alignment recommended to get full potential from your setup, sadly we don't have the space to offer this quite yet.

Benefits:
Better Ride
More predictable weight transfer
Ability to brake harder and deeper
Ability to launch harder with more traction
More stable at all speeds.

A corner balance will significantly drop your times in any motorsport whether it be road racing, oval, drag and even drifting.

We will be bringing our setup to events and for $10 will show you your total and corner weights. You will receive a coupon at that time and if you choose to have you car corner balanced you will receive $10 off your service.

Fender Rolling - $40/Fender ($35/fender for Tennspeed members)

A must for lowered cars that want good fitment with the least amount of tire wear.

Benefits:
Allows wider tires and/or lower offset wheels.
Eliminate tire rub by increasing tire to fender clearance

Suspension Install - $45/corner ($30/corner if coilovers are bought through Deft Motion)

Included:
Basic Install
Customer determined Ride Height, spring preload, dampening.

Visit http://www.deftmotion.com/services for more available services.

[DeftHand]

Wynn last Friday in for a balance.

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[boosted s14.5 v2]

will be hitting you up for this in the near future drew

[DeftHand]

sounds great.

[aye bee]

will an alignment after corner balancing mess the the corner balancing itself?

[duncan]

will an alignment after corner balancing mess the the corner balancing itself?

no, changing the direction that your wheels are pointed will not change the weight that is distributed to that corner.

[Jankenshank]

ill be hitting you up soon drew, as soon as the rear adjustable control arms come in and i can get the alignment right while going low.

[WynnS123]

Wynn last Friday in for a balance.

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Damn, that's a sexy car. :)

I went over to Drew's just to see how much my car weighed. I needed to be within a certain weight to run in NASA TTB. Once I saw how far off the car was, I told him to just do the corner balance now. He got my cross weight down to 50.08%!!! I can't wait to get this thing on track to see how it feels. Thanks again man :thumbup:

[javajoe79]

no, changing the direction that your wheels are pointed will not change the weight that is distributed to that corner.
Try it some time on the scales and you will see. Turning the wheels or a change in toe jacks weight and different camber settings will alter that too. Generally, you always align a car and set ride heights first then set the corner weights then re check alignment.

[spoolie]

I was about to say what Chris said...once you change the angles it puts more weight or less in certain spots.

[Eunos735]

Try it some time on the scales and you will see. Turning the wheels or a change in toe jacks weight and different camber settings will alter that too. Generally, you always align a car and set ride heights first then set the corner weights then re check alignment.

Quoted for the truth.

[DeftHand]

yes changing the toe significantly will move weight...and camber affects how much contact patch which effects overall distribution.

I always tell customers to come back and I will double check everything after an alignment. Just how I was taught to do it. A number of shops such as Evasive Motorsports, Gt Motoring and Touge Factory all balance first.

[spoolie]

no, changing the direction that your wheels are pointed will not change the weight that is distributed to that corner.
You are officially an idiot.

[Eunos735]

Glad to hear your response to this. I might give your shop a shot sometime this season.

[DeftHand]

Would love to help you.

[jinxcat555]

Damn, that's a sexy car. :)

I went over to Drew's just to see how much my car weighed. I needed to be within a certain weight to run in NASA TTB. Once I saw how far off the car was, I told him to just do the corner balance now. He got my cross weight down to 50.08%!!! I can't wait to get this thing on track to see how it feels. Thanks again man :thumbup:

Wait a second. What is that thing on Wynn's trunk? Pure cheater, bro.

[DeftHand]

hahaha Voltex Type 7
<3 that wing.
If you want to order one let me know. Am the only Voltex dealer any where near here.

[javajoe79]

yes changing the toe significantly will move weight...and camber affects how much contact patch which effects overall distribution.

I always tell customers to come back and I will double check everything after an alignment. Just how I was taught to do it. A number of shops such as Evasive Motorsports, Gt Motoring and Touge Factory all balance first.
Yeah it is either or really. Doing it either way will alter the other but normally only a little bit. Without a real high dollar, alignment rig/scale pad, getting all of it dead on is not really doable.
You can roll the car off the scales and back on and it will always change a little.
When I was at Russell with the formula mazdas we had a fleet of 20+ cars and we had a specific method that worked best for us. The cars would have their coilovers removed and set on blocks that would put them at the ride height that we ran at. Then we would align them and adjust for bump and droop. Then they would go on the scales w/ coilovers back on them, get ride height set and get the weights squared away. Then they came off the scales and toe got rechecked.
I always hated doing alignments. Especially on race weekends with Russell.

[aye bee]

Try it some time on the scales and you will see. Turning the wheels or a change in toe jacks weight and different camber settings will alter that too. Generally, you always align a car and set ride heights first then set the corner weights then re check alignment.


thats what i was thinking too.

well if anyone needs an alignment come see my at my work. i can hook you up lulz.

[duncan]

You are officially an idiot.

enlighten me. you see, i dont do much suspension work.

[aye bee]

enlighten me. you see, i dont do much suspension work.


anyone with basic car knowlegde would know that..
dont you work at a dealer?

[shifty35]

thats what i was thinking too.

well if anyone needs an alignment come see my at my work. i can hook you up lulz.

Srsly? Miata needs aligned bad.

[duncan]

anyone with basic car knowlegde would know that..
dont you work at a dealer?

i do not work at a dealer. but, if a car has a proper alignment, and then gets corner balanced, having the alignment readjusted should not ruin the balance.

[aye bee]

i do not work at a dealer. but, if a car has a proper alignment, and then gets corner balanced, having the alignment readjusted should not ruin the balance.

nevermind.. guess i was thinking of someone else on here...

so are you saying adjusting camber and toe wont move weight around the vehicle?

[duncan]

there is a difference between completely setting the camber/toe vs tweaking them to accomodate minor right height changes. if a car is already set up with the proper front angles beforehand, it really shouldnt make that big of a difference. on the otherhand, if you slap coilovers on your car, then corner balance, then align it, you will probably end up with something out of whack.

[aye bee]

okay.. so is javajoe incorrect with what he said?

[duncan]

okay.. so is javajoe incorrect with what he said?

i agree with his methods, yes. but assuming that im an idiot for saying that readjusting alignment angles wont fuck up your corner balancing is just obtuse. im sorry if my original post was vague.

[javajoe79]

i agree with his methods, yes. but assuming that im an idiot for saying that readjusting alignment angles wont fuck up your corner balancing is just obtuse. im sorry if my original post was vague.
for the record, I didn't call you an idiot. Not that you are saying I did. Just saying.
Will it throw things completely out of wack? No, but it will change the weights. A slight breeze will change the weights even:smile:.
If you really want to get down to it, an alignment and setting the corner weights is still just a base setting. If you really wanted to squeeze the most out of the car you would be making little adjustments at the track based on driver input, tire temps, conditions, etc.. Taking notes the whole time helps you to put the car back to baseline or go back to a certain setup that worked well in certain conditions or at a certain track, without much effort.

[aye bee]

this is getting to0 technical.

[spoolie]

I called him an idiot, I (dumbass old spoolie) know if you change the angle of the tire in any way it will affect the weight on that one tire. I know nothing of suspension other than swapping out parts.

[aye bee]

.45ACP, because firing twice isn't necessary.

[jinxcat555]

no, changing the direction that your wheels are pointed will not change the weight that is distributed to that corner.

yes changing the toe significantly will move weight..

Doing it either way will alter the other but normally only a little bit.

none......a lot.....a little

It's like I just read the 3 pigs all over again. This one is juuuust riiight:blink:

[duncan]

none......a lot.....a little

It's like I just read the 3 pigs all over again. This one is juuuust riiight:blink:

that was goldilocks.

[jinxcat555]

that was goldilocks.

:lol: thanks

[Mayo]

What kind of scales do you have? Do you have to jack up the car to put them under the tires or are they on ramps?

[DeftHand]

Intercomp scales. Ramps shipped out today actually...they were backordered, but until they show up I am having to use a jack.

[Mayo]

I thought there was something about corner balancing that you're not supposed to just jack up the car and set the tire down on a scale? Something having to do with the tire wanting to move as it sits back down.

[DeftHand]

I asked around and every shop I talked to had told me they just bounce the car once on the scales to settle the suspension. of course best way is to pull off the ramps drive around for a second and come back...which is why I ordered them.

[javajoe79]

Well supposedly you shouldn't bounce on the scales but alot of people do it and I am not sure if it's really a bad thing to do. Would be a good question for the manufacturer though.
We would make a change, roll the car just off the pads, bounce the car front and read, push it back on the pads, then shake the car to settle it.

[DeftHand]

yeah. cant do that with these scales they are too tall. ramps will be perfect once they come in =) Intercomp ramps specifically for them.

[Jankenshank]

so to clarify what should you get done first......

Alignment - Corner balance?

[CiviclyDumped]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the proper way would be

Install suspension -> set desired ride height -> set alignment -> adjust corner weights -> recheck alignment

I think once you set you alignment at the desired ride heights, the small adjustments shouldn't affect it much.

[autoxDC2]

Alignment is what I have been told from the pro's.

But since he is offering to check the weight after an alignment is done for free (I am assuming) then that would be good too.

[DeftHand]

Alignment is what I have been told from the pro's.

But since he is offering to check the weight after an alignment is done for free (I am assuming) then that would be good too.

Yes I will check afterwards for free. It can be done either way. Been talking to other shops all morning double-checking what I've been taught. Some do CB first, some Alignment. Either way you want to check over everything afterwards.

[DeftHand]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the proper way would be

Install suspension -> set desired ride height -> set alignment -> adjust corner weights -> recheck alignment

I think once you set you alignment at the desired ride heights, the small adjustments shouldn't affect it much.

issue with this simple way can be that while balancing you might have to make vast changes. its just a big circle of tedious changes unless you do them at the same time.

[shifty35]

issue with this simple way can be that while balancing you might have to make vast changes. its just a big circle of tedious changes unless you do them at the same time.

Corner balance *on* the alignment rack. LOL

:hsdance:

[DeftHand]

haha

[duncan]

find a shop that offers a lifetime alignment service. pay fort the alignment once and have it set as many times and as often as you want.
so install suspension -> set ride height -> alignment -> corner balance -> alignment -> recheck corner balance -> alignment -> get slapped by people at shop for having your alignment checked so often.

[javajoe79]

You guys got it covered pretty much.

[Eunos735]

The "lifetime" alignment is GREAT if you can build a relationship with the shop. I bought a lifetime alignment from Firestone several years ago. They let me sit in my car while they line it up and I ALWAYS tip the tech that worked on it.

Most shops however flow the "if its green get it off the machine and if its red kick it in the head" methodology for their lifetime alignment sales.

Again find a shop that will let you sit in the car while they work on it and ALWAYS tip the tech...and tip him at least 20 bucks...they will remember that when you come back.

[duncan]

i work at firestone and with our new equipment, we can actually imput owner specific alignment specs. so, if you want -2.3* camber in the rear to be acceptable, the computer will make that the new spec. also, x2 on what eunos said. we're are much more willing to work on modified cars if youre polite and tip nicely. only bad part is that a lifetime alignment is now $180.

[DeftHand]

Firestone usually treats me well and regardless of whether its red or green they put it where I want.

Just wondering though if you do alignments how did you not know camber/toe affected weight distribution?

[nismojunkie]

enlighten me. you see, i dont do much suspension work.

i work at firestone and with our new equipment, we can actually imput owner specific alignment specs. so, if you want -2.3* camber in the rear to be acceptable, the computer will make that the new spec. also, x2 on what eunos said. we're are much more willing to work on modified cars if youre polite and tip nicely. only bad part is that a lifetime alignment is now $180.

wut lulz.

[duncan]

nismo, i tend to play my cards close to the chest.

and drew, my first post was worded incorrectly. i meant for it to say that an alignment after corner balancing wont fuck it up. not that it wont shift weight at all.

[jinxcat555]

I would definitely do the alignment last. Being a few pounds out of balance aint gonna do jack at this level. Bad toe settings would be felt much more.

[aye bee]

lulz. ill let anyone sit in their car and do "custom specs". ill do it for the lowlow.

[Mitch Detailed]

I thought there was something about corner balancing that you're not supposed to just jack up the car and set the tire down on a scale? Something having to do with the tire wanting to move as it sits back down.

i remember this debate at a drift event. :wink: (i will agree we are both very stubborn individuals when it comes to our ways, it's all good.. :) )

also drew. are you balancing it with the person/random shit sitting in the seat that weighs as much as the driver? just make sure you do if not. other than that, keep up the work man.

[DeftHand]

Yeah I always have the driver + helmet and like 1-2 quarts of fluid to make up for suit weight.

[Mitch Detailed]

Yeah I always have the driver + helmet and like 1-2 quarts of fluid to make up for suit weight.

You should offer a 6pk of beer for customer to drink while in the car, business will reach new heights!

[DeftHand]

$25 OFF this week only on Corner Balancing. After yesterday's event I have had a lot of traffic.

[ELI]

glad things are picking up yO ! ! !

[DeftHand]

Thanks. Couldn't do it without my friends...would never have gotten this far let alone where I hope to be.

[DeftHand]

Today and Tomorrow are the last days to get corner balanced for $25 off!

[DeftHand]

We want you to get the best out of your suspension so we're going to go ahead and continue our $25 off Corner Balancing for one more week. Give us a call to schedule an appointment! 615-556-8276