so.. lsvtec?..

[Deentwon]

im thinkin of buyin this ls block for 50 bucks from a friend and a b16 head?...
would this be worth my time and money?
any suggestions tips etc...

[venom_5]

ls vtec .... turbo

[capone]

im thinkin of buyin this ls block for 50 bucks from a friend and a b16 head?...
would this be worth my time and money?
any suggestions tips etc...

just buy tonys block already!

[T3AM SPOTLIT3]

yep

arp

[daegg]

would be worth it only thing is LS Vech is not a dependable motor setup but can make prtty good power for cheap

[Deentwon]

im thinkin of buyin this ls block for 50 bucks from a friend and a b16 head?...
would this be worth my time and money?
any suggestions tips etc...

just buy tonys block already!i will.. but i might need to buy the head and ecu first cuz this dude wants it gone quick and if i dont buy it soon he might sell it to someone else for cheaper..

[Deentwon]

would be worth it only thing is LS Vech is not a dependable motor setup but can make prtty good power for cheapive heard its hard to do but not that its not dependable.. how nondependable is it?..

[Deentwon]

yep

arparp?..
huh?

[T3AM SPOTLIT3]

yep

arparp?..
huh?

arp head stud

[daegg]

would be worth it only thing is LS Vech is not a dependable motor setup but can make prtty good power for cheapive heard its hard to do but not that its not dependable.. how nondependable is it?..
Do sum reseach on them some builds work better then other's ive seen them last for 10,000 miles and sum for a good long while just dont do anything half ass take your time on it :thumbup: G/L

[egfanatic]

this is not true, lsvtecs if put together right are very dependable

[Deentwon]

ok
well i definitely wont be doin any of this by myself.. i dont even have a full set of open end wrenches in my garage.. so ill have to build it at school or at a friends house.

[egfanatic]

just dont take any short cuts and the motor will last as long as you want it to.

[Deentwon]

yep

arparp?..
huh?

arp head stud
man.. im still new to buildin motors.. try to speak in noobie language

[daegg]

this is not true, lsvtecs if put together right are very dependable
like a said aslong as u do it right it will last but i have seen some that were poorly built that didnt last very long compaired to other types of swaps

[redtop240]

Go ahead but the second you put it together you should invest in mobil 1 stock.

[Deentwon]

just dont take any short cuts and the motor will last as long as you want it to.i think i can be a lil more patient than ive described before.. a week or 2 ago i wanted it done soon but now with the way gas prices are i realized that ill have to wait

[egfanatic]

if your serious about wanting to do it, Duncan already has one built correctly for sale with 0 miles on it, im sure you could probably get it at a pretty good price if you talk to him.

[Deentwon]

if your serious about wanting to do it, Duncan already has one built correctly for sale with 0 miles on it, im sure you could probably get it at a pretty good price if you talk to him.thats another thing..
money's a hard thing to come by these days when it all goes to gas..

[egfanatic]

you could probably buy it cheaper than you could build one just saying.

[T3AM SPOTLIT3]

you could probably buy it cheaper than you could build one just saying.

just say he got his block for $50 and his head $250,if your boy sale his complet lsvtec,for $200 i take it

[Deentwon]

you could probably buy it cheaper than you could build one just saying.
i dont doubt that
its just that it'd take me about 4 months to save up a grand.. so idk..

[Deentwon]

you could probably buy it cheaper than you could build one just saying.

just say he got his block for $50 and his head $250,if your boy sale his complet lsvtec,for $200 i take itwell shit if he's sellin it for 200 wheres he at.. ill meet him tonight

[egfanatic]

lol, if you think you can build a lsvtec correctly with quality parts for that much then try, lol, i believe he is asking 1500 for the motor and its basically brand new with ALL new gaskets, seats, bearings, everything.

[T3AM SPOTLIT3]

lol, if you think you can build a lsvtec correctly with quality parts for that much then try, lol, i believe he is asking 1500 for the motor and its basically brand new with ALL new gaskets, seats, bearings, everything.

back on topic,make sure your block is good,and try to keep it under 8k rpm

[daegg]

you could probably buy it cheaper than you could build one just saying.

just say he got his block for $50 and his head $250,if your boy sale his complet lsvtec,for $200 i take itwell shit if he's sellin it for 200 wheres he at.. ill meet him tonight
Bawwwwhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[duncan]

you could probably buy it cheaper than you could build one just saying.

just say he got his block for $50 and his head $250,if your boy sale his complet lsvtec,for $200 i take it

wow, math puts your build there at about 300. not 200. and obviously, if you think that you can just slap a head on an ls block and call it lsvtec, you have never built one. theres a lot more headache involved than just that.

[redtop240]

you could probably buy it cheaper than you could build one just saying.

just say he got his block for $50 and his head $250,if your boy sale his complet lsvtec,for $200 i take it

wow, math puts your build there at about 300. not 200. and obviously, if you think that you can just slap a head on an ls block and call it lsvtec, you have never built one. theres a lot more headache involved than just that.

Headache is the perfect word for it.

[wtf-is-jdm]

im thinkin of buyin this ls block for 50 bucks from a friend and a b16 head?...
would this be worth my time and money?
any suggestions tips etc...


ls/vtec= unreliable!

[duncan]

yeah, why do you think i drive an eclipse now, and my da sits at my parents house? lol.

[T3AM SPOTLIT3]

you could probably buy it cheaper than you could build one just saying.

just say he got his block for $50 and his head $250,if your boy sale his complet lsvtec,for $200 i take it

wow, math puts your build there at about 300. not 200. and obviously, if you think that you can just slap a head on an ls block and call it lsvtec, you have never built one. theres a lot more headache involved than just that.

so you selling a complet motor (just a motor)for 1500 right,ok thx

[ShawnZ]

This whole unreliable thing is silly. Only way it will be unreliable is if you cut corners and dont put it together right. If you dont have alot of money dont even think about trying to put a lsvtec together to quickly. Just save up and by parts one at a time. Get a clean complete LS block and then buy a nice lsvtec oil line kit for the conversion. Use a oem honda headgasket and some nice arp headstuds to bolt the head to the block. Also you wanna use arp rod bolts so that you wont have any trouble when revving to 8000k rpms. You will also need the vtec water pump and timing belt and i would go ahead and use a vtec oil pump just to be safe. Do all this and it will last forever.

[T3AM SPOTLIT3]

This whole unreliable thing is silly. Only way it will be unreliable is if you cut corners and dont put it together right. If you dont have alot of money dont even think about trying to put a lsvtec together to quickly. Just save up and by parts one at a time. Get a clean complete LS block and then buy a nice lsvtec oil line kit for the conversion. Use a oem honda headgasket and some nice arp headstuds to bolt the head to the block. Also you wanna use arp rod bolts so that you wont have any trouble when revving to 8000k rpms. You will also need the vtec water pump and timing belt and i would go ahead and use a vtec oil pump just to be safe. Do all this and it will last forever.

dam man shit you miss one thing if you want to go over 8k rpm

[Deentwon]

you could probably buy it cheaper than you could build one just saying.

just say he got his block for $50 and his head $250,if your boy sale his complet lsvtec,for $200 i take it

wow, math puts your build there at about 300. not 200. and obviously, if you think that you can just slap a head on an ls block and call it lsvtec, you have never built one. theres a lot more headache involved than just that.i no its not gonna be just puttin the head and block together.. thats why im gonna need as much help as i can get
and i no its not gonna be a weekend or a monthly weekend thing
i no itll take a while but if i can get it done right and reliable and powerful.. ill spend months on it

[ShawnZ]

This whole unreliable thing is silly. Only way it will be unreliable is if you cut corners and dont put it together right. If you dont have alot of money dont even think about trying to put a lsvtec together to quickly. Just save up and by parts one at a time. Get a clean complete LS block and then buy a nice lsvtec oil line kit for the conversion. Use a oem honda headgasket and some nice arp headstuds to bolt the head to the block. Also you wanna use arp rod bolts so that you wont have any trouble when revving to 8000k rpms. You will also need the vtec water pump and timing belt and i would go ahead and use a vtec oil pump just to be safe. Do all this and it will last forever.

dam man shit you miss one thing if you want to go over 8k rpm

Do what?? I dont understand what youre trying to say. A stock b18c or b16 redlines at 8200k rpm. The stock LS blocks rev out about 6500 to 7k max. To be safe at 8k you need to do the 10mm Arp road bolts to hold it all together..

[timmy tegra]

why go through all the trouble and money to do a ls/vtec when you can just do a gsr swap??

[Deentwon]

ok.. so list off the parts ill need to get this done right:
vtec oil line
oem honda headgasket
arp headstuds
arp rod bolts
vtec water pump
vtec timing belt
vtec oild pump

what else?..

[T3AM SPOTLIT3]

to go over 8k rpm on a ls block you need a,well let me show you what you need better


http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm240/leezy240sx/13st70_e1401.gif

[Deentwon]

why go through all the trouble and money to do a ls/vtec when you can just do a gsr swap??everyones got a gsr
i dont personally know anyone with an lsvtec

[timmy tegra]

why go through all the trouble and money to do a ls/vtec when you can just do a gsr swap??everyones got a gsr
i dont personally know anyone with an lsvtec
true.

its different.

sounds like it's gonna be a pain but g/l with it man.

[ShawnZ]

Just make sure you have the distrubutor that goes along with the Vtec head you chose to use along with the intake manifold. Along with what you have listed above about the only thing you would be missing is a Vtec ecu. Del sol vtec would be a nice ecu to go with so you dont have to run some generic bullshit chip on a P28. You should be able to put it all together for cheaper than a GSR swap and then you also need a trans. I would go with B16 or a GSR trans. Ls trans will just be slow. And lastly i wouldnt spend money on the girdle that is highlighted in the previous posted pic unless you were planning on revving past 8500k rpm. I mean its kinda cheap insurance but its not a have to. Ive seen tons hold together great with just the rod bolts. Up to you on how much money you wanna spend and how much power you wanna make.

[Deentwon]

why go through all the trouble and money to do a ls/vtec when you can just do a gsr swap??everyones got a gsr
i dont personally know anyone with an lsvtec
true.

its different.

sounds like it's gonna be a pain but g/l with it man.i can already imagine.. but itll be worth it in the end
thanks

[T3AM SPOTLIT3]

bro you say it cheap insurance,buy that shit

[Deentwon]

Just make sure you have the distrubutor that goes along with the Vtec head you chose to use along with the intake manifold. Along with what you have listed above about the only thing you would be missing is a Vtec ecu. Del sol vtec would be a nice ecu to go with so you dont have to run some generic bullshit chip on a P28. You should be able to put it all together for cheaper than a GSR swap and then you also need a trans. I would go with B16 or a GSR trans. Ls trans will just be slow. And lastly i wouldnt spend money on the girdle that is highlighted in the previous posted pic unless you were planning on revving past 8500k rpm. I mean its kinda cheap insurance but its not a have to. Ive seen tons hold together great with just the rod bolts. Up to you on how much money you wanna spend and how much power you wanna make.
im definitely rememberin all this
now the problem is whether to buy the block sittin at my friends house.. or the head that this dude might have sold soon.. i think im gonna go for the head.
also.. my friend says one of the pistons is outta line or somethin like that.. we looked at it and the 2 on the outside are about 4mm different give or take a few.. (it was last week when i looked at it)

[ShawnZ]

Heads are alot harder to find so i would pick that up first. As far as the block i would just look for a complete LS or B20 longblock. This way you get a more complete engine and know its hasnt been torn apart and may be fucked up.

[Deentwon]

lol
the funny thing about that is.. my friend thats sellin the ls block.. has a b20 complete motor sittin in his garage lol

[ShawnZ]

lol
the funny thing about that is.. my friend thats sellin the ls block.. has a b20 complete motor sittin in his garage lol

Well get that shit man. Putting together a B20 vtec isnt any different than a LSvtec. B20 vtec with some forged high compression pistons and some nice cams and valve train will make great power.

[Deentwon]

lol
the funny thing about that is.. my friend thats sellin the ls block.. has a b20 complete motor sittin in his garage lol

Well get that shit man. Putting together a B20 vtec isnt any different than a LSvtec. B20 vtec with some forged high compression pistons and some nice cams and valve train will make great power.will parts be more expensive than for ls?..

[ShawnZ]

^^^ Only thing different are the bore (size) of the pistons. Everything else will be the same part #'s as an LS. Also you dont have to change the B20 oil pump cause it uses the same part number as a GSR oil pump.

[Deentwon]

word
well i might just ask him how much hed want for it

[ELI]

Pmed

[capone]

word
well i might just ask him how much hed want for it

i think its his uncles....

[Deentwon]

i coulda swore he said his uncle gave it to him.. cuz he was tryin to sell me the head off it to go on the ls block

[capone]

idk. i just remember last year he said somethin about it bein his uncles. just ask him today.

[duncan]

what i needed for my ls-vtec

b18a1 block
-hot tanked
-honed
-resurfaced
complete b16 head (freshly rebuilt with new stock valves and decked .020")
golden eagle ls vtec kit. included
-oil line
-filter sandwich plate
-dowel pins
-headgasket
arp head studs
arp rod bolts
peened ls rods
b16 pistons
honda main bearings (plastigauged)
honda rod bearings (plastigauged)
honda b16 piston rings
b16 oil pump
gsr water pump
gsr timing belt
1 step colder ngk plugs for a b16
crx sir dizzy
crx sir ecu
rywire vtec subharness

thats all i can think of off the top of my head, but that will give you a good starting point for a well put together lsvtec. keep in mind that most people who do a built like this will want to go with aftermarket parts such as cams, intake manifold, throttle body, or headers. also, if youre going to be porting and polishing the head, now would be the time to do it.

im not trying to deter you from building and lsvtec set up. i just want you to realize that its not quite as simple as some people think. its not like turbo'ing a d series. this is a pull-your-hair-out, make-you-or-break-you kind of build.

[mintygood]

prediction: infinite amounts of fail

[ELI]

Did you check into that info I gave you...?

[Deentwon]

Did you check into that info I gave you...?huh?.

[Deentwon]

prediction: infinite amounts of failya never no man
im not as worried about gettin it done soon so if i fail a thousand times in the next year ill no a thousand ways not to do it next year

[Deentwon]

what i needed for my ls-vtec

b18a1 block
-hot tanked
-honed
-resurfaced
complete b16 head (freshly rebuilt with new stock valves and decked .020")
golden eagle ls vtec kit. included
-oil line
-filter sandwich plate
-dowel pins
-headgasket
arp head studs
arp rod bolts
peened ls rods
b16 pistons
honda main bearings (plastigauged)
honda rod bearings (plastigauged)
honda b16 piston rings
b16 oil pump
gsr water pump
gsr timing belt
1 step colder ngk plugs for a b16
crx sir dizzy
crx sir ecu
rywire vtec subharness

thats all i can think of off the top of my head, but that will give you a good starting point for a well put together lsvtec. keep in mind that most people who do a built like this will want to go with aftermarket parts such as cams, intake manifold, throttle body, or headers. also, if youre going to be porting and polishing the head, now would be the time to do it.

im not trying to deter you from building and lsvtec set up. i just want you to realize that its not quite as simple as some people think. its not like turbo'ing a d series. this is a pull-your-hair-out, make-you-or-break-you kind of build.i can use b16 pistons in an ls block?..

[spoolie]

read this book....the handbook, and answer your own questions/learn something.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v107/turboteg/books.jpg

[duncan]

^^^^YES^^^^

those 2 books will teach you more than you would imagine.

b16's b17's and b18's all have the same size bore, so all of the pistons are interchangable. the b16 piston/ls rod combination will yield higher compression. thats why i went that route.

[ELI]

^^^^YES^^^^

those 2 books will teach you more than you would imagine.

b16's b17's and b18's all have the same size bore, so all of the pistons are interchangable. the b16 piston/ls rod combination will yield higher compression. thats why i went that route.

They will work with L.S. rods, but you have to get the rods milled 1 mm. on both side so the VTEC pistons to fit correctly.

[spoolie]

bottom line....ls/vtec sucks....buy the book and read about r/s ratio...

[Deentwon]

well . i already got arp b16 rods..
is that bad?

[Deentwon]

also . where can i get those books?.

[mintygood]

arp doesn't make rods

[ELI]

arp doesn't make rods
:lol:

[capone]

i was wondering the same thing. where do you get those books at spoolie? i was looking awhile back for them, just somthing to sit in the bathroom an read up on time to time lol jp. but hastings didnt have em.

[Deentwon]

arp doesn't make rodshm.. i coulda sworn they said arp on em..
well.. dude said they were good .. i need em anyways.. just took the old ones out and ones bent lol.. guess thats why the piston was a little off

[autoxDC2]

yep

arparp?..
huh?

arp head stud
man.. im still new to buildin motors.. try to speak in noobie language

if you're a noob and you have NO IDEA, DO NOT attempt this. Just pay someone (ME) to do it for you. LS/VTEC's are great motors. Very reliable IF built right with the right parts (OEM Honda). It is not cheap (my ls/vtec cost me over $5000) but you can build it cheaper than that, but it won't make the power.

Do LOTS of research. It takes time and money.

[mintygood]

arp doesn't make rodshm.. i coulda sworn they said arp on em..
well.. dude said they were good .. i need em anyways.. just took the old ones out and ones bent lol.. guess thats why the piston was a little off

if the rod was bent I would make sure that the bearings were not spun and the crank is not damaged. You need to take the crank to a shop and have them check it out. you also will need to pay a shop to put your old pistons on your new rods unless the rods use floating wrist pins. If they do use floating wristpins then you need to buy new pistons that use this type of wristpin

[mintygood]

and btw, ransom on the forums build motors and he is a great guy. talk to him about building it for you.

[Mitch Detailed]

wow, math puts your build there at about 300. not 200. and obviously, if you think that you can just slap a head on an ls block and call it lsvtec, you have never built one. theres a lot more headache involved than just that.

^ listen to this guy

This whole unreliable thing is silly. Only way it will be unreliable is if you cut corners and dont put it together right. If you dont have alot of money dont even think about trying to put a lsvtec together to quickly. Just save up and by parts one at a time. Get a clean complete LS block and then buy a nice lsvtec oil line kit for the conversion. Use a oem honda headgasket and some nice arp headstuds to bolt the head to the block. Also you wanna use arp rod bolts so that you wont have any trouble when revving to 8000k rpms. You will also need the vtec water pump and timing belt and i would go ahead and use a vtec oil pump just to be safe. Do all this and it will last forever.

you can actually use the ls oil pump and remove a washer. then it is the ExaCT same as a R oil pump. look up the reference charts online..

prediction: infinite amounts of fail
Alex Trebek: and now onto todays Daily Double.

read this book....the handbook, and answer your own questions/learn something.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v107/turboteg/books.jpg

i've read the honda horsepower book and it's worth it's weight in gold.

to be honest man. personally i think you're in wayy over your head. you're trying to build a motor without knowing how a motor functions. if you plan on rebuilding the bottom end and KnoWing it will run right, you're looking at much more than you intend to spend.
bearings: 12$ a bearing on average. and theres 2 bearings per journal. so at 14$x2 per journal x 9 journals, you're looking at over 250$ just in bearings
fresh oil pump and water pump, ls-v conversion kit, rod bolts if you ever intend on revving this motor past 6500, new gaskets, new seals, a vtec distributor, and a matching intake manifold.

add all this stuff up and you'll get a number in the 1000's, not to add to the fact that you dont know the 1st thing to building a motor. all aboard the failboat man...

[Deentwon]

just so yall no i do have a couple friends that already said they'd help me..
i mean im not in this alone

[Mitch Detailed]

just so yall no i do have a couple friends that already said they'd help me..
i mean im not in this alone

as long as your friends know their stuff you might be okay, but personally i dont hang out with unknowledgeable people. it becomes too annoying hearing them talking about TUrbo and VTEC and all these words they have no idea what they are. all they know is x car's faster than y car because of vtec or turbo. i'm not saying this is you, but you have asked some VerY generic questions that could be answered by doing some research. i've learned probably about 85-90% of my knowledge about engines, turbos, what is modified to make power, and how to increase power thru modifications on the internet, thru the omnipower dvd, and in books like the honda engine builders handbook.

[mintygood]

just so yall no i do have a couple friends that already said they'd help me..
i mean im not in this alone

as long as your friends know their stuff you might be okay, but personally i dont hang out with unknowledgeable people. it becomes too annoying hearing them talking about TUrbo and VTEC and all these words they have no idea what they are. all they know is x car's faster than y car because of vtec or turbo. i'm not saying this is you, but you have asked some VerY generic questions that could be answered by doing some research. i've learned probably about 85-90% of my knowledge about engines, turbos, what is modified to make power, and how to increase power thru modifications on the internet, thru the omnipower dvd, and in books like the honda engine builders handbook.

my hatch is faster than yours because it has a motor in it!

zing!

[Laosakademiks]

:? ..to this thread
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread/1676914
http://www.c-speedracing.com/howto/lsvtec/lsvtec.php
http://www.hondatuningmagazine.com/tech/0506_ht_ls_vtec_head_swap/index.html

[92vxeg]

Im in the middle of my turbo lsvtec build now....but im building mine with sleeved block and nice internals....
if you plan on just throwing the bottom and head together and think your safe? Dont do it.

much more info and research you need to do before do it. Just give it a while or just slowly buy stuff for it...thats what im doing. Since it seems the motor is out of the bay then it should be better to do everything now if you plan to stay with this build

there is a thread on honda-tech that is i think named "How to build a reliable Lsvtec/B20vtec"

[duncan]

^^^^YES^^^^

those 2 books will teach you more than you would imagine.

b16's b17's and b18's all have the same size bore, so all of the pistons are interchangable. the b16 piston/ls rod combination will yield higher compression. thats why i went that route.

They will work with L.S. rods, but you have to get the rods milled 1 mm. on both side so the VTEC pistons to fit correctly.

i was not aware of this. when i mic'ed my ls rods vs my b16 rods, they came out to the exact same thickness on the piston side. maybe they had be machined before. idk.

to the op: machine work is expensive. bearings are more expensive. just to put it in perspective for you, you should check out http://www.hondapartsdeals.com and price out some bottom end rebuild parts for a 2000 si. i would also strongly recommend that before you do any sort of building you pick up both of the books that spoolie posted as well as the omniman dvd.

capone: i bought my copy of HPHBH at barnes and noble. walk over there on your break at work or something and pick it up. it was like $12 or something.

there is a thread on honda-tech that is i think named "How to build a reliable Lsvtec/B20vtec"

i have that how-to guide printed out. it was very helpful.

[Laosakademiks]

yea..i posted the "how to build a reliable ls vtec" two post up, 1st link

[shawnpepper]

yep

arparp?..
huh?

arp head stud
man.. im still new to buildin motors.. try to speak in noobie language
you should probably pay someone who knows what they're doing. That way if you break it you will have someone to blame.

[capone]

capone: i bought my copy of HPHBH at barnes and noble. walk over there on your break at work or something and pick it up. it was like $12 or something.

yea i looked it up at books a million. they got it. but i forgot i worked next to barns an noble hah. ill go their after work.

[spoolie]

all books stores have both of the books.

[Deentwon]

yep

arparp?..
huh?

arp head stud
man.. im still new to buildin motors.. try to speak in noobie language
you should probably pay someone who knows what they're doing. That way if you break it you will have someone to blame.
i cant afford to pay someone to build it

[shawnpepper]

well, most machine shops will short block it for about 70 bucks, and if you get the golden eagle ls vtec line kit, you only have to tap, thread and put the head on it. unless you've had r+r experience i wouldn't try putting a motor together, there are alot of little things to do, like gapping rings and crank coding for the bearings that if you screw them up you'll be very disapointed because it will come apart

[Deentwon]

well i mean the stuff i absolutely cant do or my friends cant do ill get someone to do it
cuz im gettin it done whether i go flat broke or take forever to have ppl help me.. its gonna get done

[mintygood]

well i mean the stuff i absolutely cant do or my friends cant do ill get someone to do it
cuz im gettin it done whether i go flat broke or take forever to have ppl help me.. its gonna get done

we'll see how you feel about that when you wake up each morning and have to look at an engine in the corner for a few months.

[spoolie]

enjoy piston slap at high rpms...then destruction...once again read up on r/s ratio on b series.


weak oil pump....no piston squirter....longer stroke....no longevity (ive never seen a ls/v last more than 30k)...

[Deentwon]

enjoy piston slap at high rpms...then destruction...once again read up on r/s ratio on b series.


weak oil pump....no piston squirter....longer stroke....no longevity (ive never seen a ls/v last more than 30k)...
well ive already got an ls block.. what would u suggest from here?

[spoolie]

sell it and buy a k series or a b18c1/5 engine...

[Deentwon]

man.. i dont have that much money..

[spoolie]

well you answered your own question....dont do anything till you have money dog...

[Deentwon]

well why not try to slowly build what i can as time goes..

[Mitch Detailed]

enjoy piston slap at high rpms...then destruction...once again read up on r/s ratio on b series.
weak oil pump....no piston squirter....longer stroke....no longevity (ive never seen a ls/v last more than 30k)...

*the oil pump is the same cast and pump gear as a vtec oil pump, it just has a washer that you would need to take out to produce adequate oil pressure.
*piston squirters help aid cooling on cast pistons, but there is remedies to this in coatings if someone would like to run cast pistons.
*theres nothing wrong with the extra stroke. just a lower powerband.
* the first ls-vtec built ran much farther than 30k miles.

piston slap has nothing specifically to do with ls-vtec builds. it's caused by excessive clearances on a motors p2w clearances. you have just as much chance with piston slap on a ls-v as you would with any other motor...

sure ls-vtec's have a higher compression ratio, which means higher pressure spikes upon detonation, but any excessive spikes will heat any cast piston up to the point of overexpansion. .

[Deentwon]

enjoy piston slap at high rpms...then destruction...once again read up on r/s ratio on b series.
weak oil pump....no piston squirter....longer stroke....no longevity (ive never seen a ls/v last more than 30k)...

*the oil pump is the same cast and pump gear as a vtec oil pump, it just has a washer that you would need to take out to produce adequate oil pressure.
*piston squirters help aid cooling on cast pistons, but there is remedies to this in coatings if someone would like to run cast pistons.
*theres nothing wrong with the extra stroke. just a lower powerband.
* the first ls-vtec built ran much farther than 30k miles.

piston slap has nothing specifically to do with ls-vtec builds. it's caused by excessive clearances on a motors p2w clearances. you have just as much chance with piston slap on a ls-v as you would with any other motor...

sure ls-vtec's have a higher compression ratio, which means higher pressure spikes upon detonation, but any excessive spikes will heat any cast piston up to the point of overexpansion. .lol so u wanna help me build it when i get all the parts?>..

[duncan]

lol so u wanna help me build it when i get all the parts?>..

i really dont think you want to get into this kind of build with just you and your buddies. its like buying a sewing machine and the first thing you ever try to sew is your own parachute. start simple. once you see how expensive all the parts are, youre not gonna want to let all of that money go down the drain because of a beginner mistake. its really up to you, though. and im sure if/when you mess stuff up, spoolie will always be here to offer loving support.

[mintygood]

enjoy piston slap at high rpms...then destruction...once again read up on r/s ratio on b series.
weak oil pump....no piston squirter....longer stroke....no longevity (ive never seen a ls/v last more than 30k)...

*the oil pump is the same cast and pump gear as a vtec oil pump, it just has a washer that you would need to take out to produce adequate oil pressure.
*piston squirters help aid cooling on cast pistons, but there is remedies to this in coatings if someone would like to run cast pistons.
*theres nothing wrong with the extra stroke. just a lower powerband.
* the first ls-vtec built ran much farther than 30k miles.

piston slap has nothing specifically to do with ls-vtec builds. it's caused by excessive clearances on a motors p2w clearances. you have just as much chance with piston slap on a ls-v as you would with any other motor...

sure ls-vtec's have a higher compression ratio, which means higher pressure spikes upon detonation, but any excessive spikes will heat any cast piston up to the point of overexpansion. .lol so u wanna help me build it when i get all the parts?>..

I think you need to take this engine apart and see how much you have to do to the block before you go anywhere.....you are going to have to send it to the machine shop for weeks so they can work on it....have fun

[Deentwon]

it already is apart
the bare block is sittin in my garage right now
i thought my friend from nadc could take it up there for em to look at it but he said they dont do machine work like that there

[spoolie]

enjoy piston slap at high rpms...then destruction...once again read up on r/s ratio on b series.
weak oil pump....no piston squirter....longer stroke....no longevity (ive never seen a ls/v last more than 30k)...

*the oil pump is the same cast and pump gear as a vtec oil pump, it just has a washer that you would need to take out to produce adequate oil pressure.
*piston squirters help aid cooling on cast pistons, but there is remedies to this in coatings if someone would like to run cast pistons.
*theres nothing wrong with the extra stroke. just a lower powerband.
* the first ls-vtec built ran much farther than 30k miles.

piston slap has nothing specifically to do with ls-vtec builds. it's caused by excessive clearances on a motors p2w clearances. you have just as much chance with piston slap on a ls-v as you would with any other motor...

sure ls-vtec's have a higher compression ratio, which means higher pressure spikes upon detonation, but any excessive spikes will heat any cast piston up to the point of overexpansion. .


and you've built one that lived under teenager abuse??....ok..dont read the books, listen to this guy. sorry ive only built hondas since 92...

[shawnpepper]

oh wait i missed the part "84mm bore" i hope you like replacing engines or you buy a modular integrated deck, not flaming, you should probably save more money if you want to build the civic of doom.

[Deentwon]

i never said anything about the civic of doom
i just want a quick car
well what can i do with an ls block and eagle b16 pistons to be as fast or faster than an lsvtec and be easier?

[Deentwon]

or what could i do the the b7 to make it quicker?>.
its already got an obx header aem intake and an apexi catback
what can i do?

[mintygood]

you need to stop asking us questions and start doing research yourself....

www.hondoogle.com

be proactive and stop asking people to make up your mind for you
end thread

[ELI]

you need to stop asking us questions and start doing research yourself....

www.hondoogle.com

be proactive and stop asking people to make up your mind for you
end thread
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[Deentwon]

i never ask people to make my own decisions..
i just ask them to help out.
isnt that somewhat the point of a forum?..

[t.schultz]

your going to get into some money building a lsvtec, or atleast a built one. you can go all stock internals then not too bad, but forged, boreing the walls, machine work, lsv kit, piston, rods. it adds up. go to h-t and find the lsv thread, it was the lsv bible for me when i had one. if you cant find it let me know. ill post it on here

[mintygood]

forums are used to ask things that a simple google search couldn't answer.

[Deentwon]

i dont no anybody on google or what they have done..

[t.schultz]

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1676914

go there. and read...

[ELI]

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1676914

go there. and read...

HAHAHAHA....I already sent that to him a while back.

[KillerRabbit]

Ok, for starters dont attempt a well thought out build if you don't know anything about it. Start building a d-series or some crappy motor like that.(not that they are crap but who cares if it blows, not like it makes any power without boost)

LS/VTEC is a very awesome build and great for boost or all motor, what ever you want to do. But to build it right cost's a lot of money. For instance look at a bud i know, Kris spent the money on his car, he spent a long time doing research, i can tell he did because he knows what the hell he is talking about. He goes into detail and even explains what the purpose of that is. So either he knows something or he is just bullshitting. He dont bullshit though so thats out. If you are going to do this then work your ass off and start saving the money for the build. If you are wanting to do the build yourself then good luck and i hope someone will convince you to save that block. If you do not know what you are doing then don't guess and think it goes there or here.

Im sorry im probably insulting you and telling you that you are a dumbass but you cant honestly start asking people about a motor build that YOU barely know anything about. You have to search, go to Honda-tech.com, superhonda.com, clubcivic.com, k20a.org, 8thcivic.com, and other Honda forums and you will flamed extremely hard for not searching. People like you have asked these question and completed a build through guidance from others as long as they know what they are doing and have smart discussion ideas. Like,..... if i use this Dart block with these Endyn Rods and custom pistons i should have?..................the list goes on.

I have both the books Spoolie has and i have even more like the Sport Compact: Drive-Trains and the Performance Autocross book. It gives a good point of view, from how everything works and how you can make or lose power. Make or Break is the way it goes.

I cant understand why you want to do the Ls/Vtec build and then ask about doing a b7? A d15b7 is the biggest pos ever, put a z6 head on it and rod the hell out of it. Wait for it..........Dont waste your money buy a d16z6 if you want a d-series, that or a d16y8. Z6 has two journals per rod bearing on the crank as compared to the d16y8. The Z6 will hold more power and is a very fun setup while under boost. Spend your money the way you want to but if i were you, i would do something i want and something i will enjoy. maybe a boosted D-series or something.. GO to D-SERIES.ORG for more info, on building a motor. Now im sorry im flaming you but better to let you know what to do and be nice then to tell you to piss off.

Ok, now im doing a K24/K20 Hybrid or Frankenstein motor is what people call it. Ls/Vtec is a franken motor also. My motor setup is very intensive. I spent 1300 on getting the block sleeved and bored to my specs. thats just prepping a block for the pistons and rods. I have to have custom pistons now because the bore went from 86mm-89mm. that will give me more horsepower. The build is going to be for boost but it will be tricky because the motor makes to much Torque and i will not get traction at all. So boost by gear is something that you need to know. if you dont know what im talking about then you still have a lot to learn about cars and Honda's because that is a term that is passed around quite a bit.

Im done, if you have any questions ask Me, Spoolie, Kris or anybody that is familiar with Honda's.
Hands down me and everyone else hates being asked what to do step by step. It should be like learning to ride a bike, daddy pushes, and you pedal and drive the bike. get rid of those training wheels too.

[ELI]

DAMN.... :shock:

[carfreak0]

holy shit thats my hero, lol

[Deentwon]

thanks man

[KillerRabbit]

Again im sorry to be a dick, but just thought i would throw out there your options.
Go to Honda-tech and let the Learning begin.

[Deentwon]

Again im sorry to be a dick, but just thought i would throw out there your options.
Go to Honda-tech and let the Learning begin.
i feel ya man..
right now im too tired and lazy to read all of it but ill definitely do it tomorro.

[carfreak0]

im with rabbit, IM his roommate and ive lived with him for two months now and i have leared a lot,cause im bout to do a k 24/k20 build as well