Democratic National Convention

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jokers_wild_1987

Discussion Starter · Aug 26, 2008

Is te bigest scripted load of bull its a history lesson on barack and michelles family
and from what im gathering i didnt realize michelle was on the ballot

I know there is already a VS thread just asking thoughts on what was the purpose of every speech tonight from your perspective

(I posted this in of topic because i would like to keep it educated and not have people dropping N-bombs be careful how you word yourself)

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shawnpepper

· #41 · Aug 27, 2008

you do know....

you do know we are a capatalist country right? what programs are you talking about republicans cutting for the poor? There IS still a middle class (im it). the whole rich get richer thing: everyone in this country can't be rich if everyone where rich, every one would be poor. Our economy is based loosely on the amount of useless shit we can buy, look at our malls there a testimate to this fact, look at your car, do i really need the car(s) i have? NO! but i want them, thats America.

lildwell

· #42 · Aug 27, 2008

i do know we are in a capitalist country and that there is a middle class. but the middle class is shrinking. thats a known fact. thats why we're in a recession. school, social security(thoe it sucks), welfare(thoe it sucks), are a few social programs we have. There are some lazy people that dont want to try. Yet, there are some that are just stuck. They dont have a chance and those are the people that need help. plus we pay way to much for perscription pills that can possibly kill us. And i love capitalism. I love taking advantage of the weak to make a profit.

Ventolin

· #43 · Aug 27, 2008

lildwell said:
Mccain IS a war monger and an oil junkie.

I don't care if Bush had another few years, our problem with Iraq is going to be solved because people are getting tired of it. Regardless of the president. Yes, its a sticky situation now, but I'm not going to assume that McCain is going to single handedly keep our troops there for another hundred years - people are pushing for this shit to be over with, and Congress is going to make something happen.

And Capitalism isn't about making money off everyone else... its about a free market. Its about controlling our own money. Would you rather the government regulate the production of all products and distribution, and we just pay all our money in taxes the rest of our lives? Capitalism is about opportunity.

Besides, this isn't a purely Capitalist economy.... technically we're a "mixed economy" based in Capitalism... or else we wouldn't have social programs to the extent we do, and there wouldn't be government regulation.

shawnpepper

· #44 · Aug 27, 2008

good point

as far as welfare goes.............it should end. Welfare was a program started after the depression to battle poverty, unfortunately you get these leaches that use it to buy dope and other crap they don't need and never get jobs, so f-welfare, im all about strong surviving. If your weak, thats your problem.
social security........useless to my generation, 401k and investments ftw, and if you can't invest then take it out of your paycheck, or get a second job cuz you don't make enough money.
good point though on the mixed economy, i agree
as far as the recession, the dependency on foreign oil has alot to do with that and world economics in general including the fact that the euro and the pound trounced the dollar this year and last year.

squadbuddy

· #45 · Aug 27, 2008

I'm against big government. I'm against almost all government that isn't necessary (military, police, legislature in the STRICTIST terms). The only reason I'm against anarchy (read: Self Rule) is because we need some structure in society. I believe that our taxes should go ONLY to those who serve us, and by that, I mean military, police, emergency personnel, and CORE legislation. I don't believe there should be lesser paid public positions. Does anyone know why congress has 2 large breaks in their schedule? It's so they can go home and plant, and so they can go home and harvest. Congress was originally a VOLUNTARY position, unpaid, done out of love for our country. Our president makes 1.6 million dollars over 4 years from just being the president, which is alright, but they don't pay for ANYTHING while in office... we do. And that's not counting kickbacks and lobbyist funds. I'm slaving at approximately $13 an hour after comission, 40+ hours a week, and then my ass is taxed off? That's theft. If I took 30% of someone's stuff, I would probably go to jail. The government does that YEARLY. And don't get me started on the draft... I respect our military people, and the job they do. You'll never hear me criticize their involvement in world events. I feel like the draft (which is dormant, but that's why you sign up for Selective Service when you're 18 ) is slavery. Signing up for something like that is in violation of the 13th amendment.

Obama wants government as big as he can get it so he can keep control of everything. This is why they want universal health care, they want to keep closer tabs on the people. This is why they want gun control, they want to disarm the people. This is why they want to point fingers about war, they want to take your eyes off the real issues.

McCain is no better... lots of religious republicans claim "He'll bring the country back to God" while ignoring that his wife owns the largest Budweiser distribution house in the eastern United States. He's nearly Democrat in a lot of his views, yet Democrats trash him, cause they want someone whose wife claims to not be proud of the country she lives in.

McCain scares me, as does Obama... I'm going to vote third party this year (I am personally voting for Bob Barr - Libertarian) and I know that I'm not gonna have a candidate who wins, hell, they might get 2% of the total vote, but I know that he believes what I believe, and then I can bitch for the next 4 years that my guy coulda done better.

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redtop240

· #46 · Aug 27, 2008

How does Hilary's penis shaped clit taste like Lildwell?

lane_viper

· #47 · Aug 27, 2008

squadbuddy said:
I'm against big government. I'm against almost all government that isn't necessary (military, police, legislature in the STRICTIST terms). The only reason I'm against anarchy (read: Self Rule) is because we need some structure in society. I believe that our taxes should go ONLY to those who serve us, and by that, I mean military, police, emergency personnel, and CORE legislation. I don't believe there should be lesser paid public positions. Does anyone know why congress has 2 large breaks in their schedule? It's so they can go home and plant, and so they can go home and harvest. Congress was originally a VOLUNTARY position, unpaid, done out of love for our country. Our president makes 1.6 million dollars over 4 years from just being the president, which is alright, but they don't pay for ANYTHING while in office... we do. And that's not counting kickbacks and lobbyist funds. I'm slaving at approximately $13 an hour after comission, 40+ hours a week, and then my ass is taxed off? That's theft. If I took 30% of someone's stuff, I would probably go to jail. The government does that YEARLY. And don't get me started on the draft... I respect our military people, and the job they do. You'll never hear me criticize their involvement in world events. I feel like the draft (which is dormant, but that's why you sign up for Selective Service when you're 18 ) is slavery. Signing up for something like that is in violation of the 13th amendment.

Obama wants government as big as he can get it so he can keep control of everything. This is why they want universal health care, they want to keep closer tabs on the people. This is why they want gun control, they want to disarm the people. This is why they want to point fingers about war, they want to take your eyes off the real issues.

McCain is no better... lots of religious republicans claim "He'll bring the country back to God" while ignoring that his wife owns the largest Budweiser distribution house in the eastern United States. He's nearly Democrat in a lot of his views, yet Democrats trash him, cause they want someone whose wife claims to not be proud of the country she lives in.

McCain scares me, as does Obama... I'm going to vote third party this year (I am personally voting for Bob Barr - Libertarian) and I know that I'm not gonna have a candidate who wins, hell, they might get 2% of the total vote, but I know that he believes what I believe, and then I can bitch for the next 4 years that my guy coulda done better.

Good post here! My thoughts exactly :thumbup:

chase zz

· #48 · Aug 29, 2008

lane_viper said:
squadbuddy said:

I'm against big government. I'm against almost all government that isn't necessary (military, police, legislature in the STRICTIST terms). The only reason I'm against anarchy (read: Self Rule) is because we need some structure in society. I believe that our taxes should go ONLY to those who serve us, and by that, I mean military, police, emergency personnel, and CORE legislation. I don't believe there should be lesser paid public positions. Does anyone know why congress has 2 large breaks in their schedule? It's so they can go home and plant, and so they can go home and harvest. Congress was originally a VOLUNTARY position, unpaid, done out of love for our country. Our president makes 1.6 million dollars over 4 years from just being the president, which is alright, but they don't pay for ANYTHING while in office... we do. And that's not counting kickbacks and lobbyist funds. I'm slaving at approximately $13 an hour after comission, 40+ hours a week, and then my ass is taxed off? That's theft. If I took 30% of someone's stuff, I would probably go to jail. The government does that YEARLY. And don't get me started on the draft... I respect our military people, and the job they do. You'll never hear me criticize their involvement in world events. I feel like the draft (which is dormant, but that's why you sign up for Selective Service when you're 18 ) is slavery. Signing up for something like that is in violation of the 13th amendment.

Obama wants government as big as he can get it so he can keep control of everything. This is why they want universal health care, they want to keep closer tabs on the people. This is why they want gun control, they want to disarm the people. This is why they want to point fingers about war, they want to take your eyes off the real issues.

McCain is no better... lots of religious republicans claim "He'll bring the country back to God" while ignoring that his wife owns the largest Budweiser distribution house in the eastern United States. He's nearly Democrat in a lot of his views, yet Democrats trash him, cause they want someone whose wife claims to not be proud of the country she lives in.

McCain scares me, as does Obama... I'm going to vote third party this year (I am personally voting for Bob Barr - Libertarian) and I know that I'm not gonna have a candidate who wins, hell, they might get 2% of the total vote, but I know that he believes what I believe, and then I can bitch for the next 4 years that my guy coulda done better.

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Good post here! My thoughts exactly :thumbup:

i agree also hell of a post right here well said

Jose

· #49 · Aug 29, 2008

Re: to ventolin

lildwell said:
trust me. i dont think that our tax money should go to people who just dont work. but what about those with disabilities? In fact i am against big government to. Forget universal health care. hey i can take it further. Maybe the police can charge us when we call 911, or the fire department can send us a bill for putting out our houses when they catch fire to. :thumbup:

Cops now charge a 12$ gas fee when you get pulled over. lol
Im ok with it.. hell. Dont speed. lol

00Accord4cyl

· #50 · Aug 29, 2008

wow lidwell ur so wrong about so many things in this thread...i wish i had the time to even type in here..if u really are that ignorant when it comes to why people are republicans...then well ur pretty much a failure...yes i am a Christian, but that is not the reason why i am Republican, i am a Rep because well they support issues that..how should i put this....make sense...i am sorry that u hate how the money is distributed more among the rich...but that is probably because they are working hard to earn their money..it isn't just a bunch of dudes sitting around smoking cigars laughing at the lower class...I am sorry if i don't want my money to be taxed more and given to lower income families that want to just take from the system till they run us dry..yes i know some families aren't like that, but i HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE freeloaders....

and if so many democrats have little faith in the government..then why do they support so many things that put more power into their hands...social security is a failure..so how does it make sense to put healthcare into their hands also...small government is so much better..

Obama is 2 extreme for this country..and is not a good solution...only reason he is still in it is because of how well the media portrays him..the guy can't decide what he wants to support...and he never answers a question with a solid answer...ask the guy if we should bull out the troops he would probably come up with some BS answer like "well i don't think we should have them there, so yes, but we can't pull them out either" that way he neither supported nor was against it....

Give me some reasons why Obama is a better candidate..and if u say anything about him not being Bush, a republican, etc i will puke

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nismojunkie

· #51 · Aug 29, 2008

im so tired of fuckin politics.
im not even voting this year.
i hate the goverment
is so curropted
its not even funny
idk who is president
they cant fix or wont fix the entire problem
which is its self.
because its everywhere
everywhere..........thats government
or city or federal or anything outside of mom
and pop stuff is curroupt.
its all fake.
and they are all out to take care of themselfs
they dont care who they fuck over
just as long as their bank accounts are fat.

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squadbuddy

· #52 · Aug 29, 2008

Well Nismo, my company's tagline might do you well here...

"No one ever said it's easy to start a revolution."

If you give up while you're this young, in 20 years, there will be no United States. Best thing to do IMO is to find what you believe, research and find the person who best fits you, and push for them.

If no one believes what you do, then do it yourself.

00Accord4cyl

· #53 · Aug 29, 2008

nismojunkie said:
im so tired of fuckin politics.
im not even voting this year.

please still go out and vote...your not helping the situation...and not voting certainly isn't doing anything..even if u don't think ur vote is making a difference..atleast research the candidates and vote for somebody...

EDIT...sooo he said the same thing above me haha

shawnpepper

· #54 · Aug 29, 2008

00Accord4cyl said:
wow lidwell ur so wrong about so many things in this thread...i wish i had the time to even type in here..if u really are that ignorant when it comes to why people are republicans...then well ur pretty much a failure...yes i am a Christian, but that is not the reason why i am Republican, i am a Rep because well they support issues that..how should i put this....make sense...i am sorry that u hate how the money is distributed more among the rich...but that is probably because they are working hard to earn their money..it isn't just a bunch of dudes sitting around smoking cigars laughing at the lower class...I am sorry if i don't want my money to be taxed more and given to lower income families that want to just take from the system till they run us dry..yes i know some families aren't like that, but i HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE freeloaders....

and if so many democrats have little faith in the government..then why do they support so many things that put more power into their hands...social security is a failure..so how does it make sense to put healthcare into their hands also...small government is so much better..

Obama is 2 extreme for this country..and is not a good solution...only reason he is still in it is because of how well the media portrays him..the guy can't decide what he wants to support...and he never answers a question with a solid answer...ask the guy if we should bull out the troops he would probably come up with some BS answer like "well i don't think we should have them there, so yes, but we can't pull them out either" that way he neither supported nor was against it....

Give me some reasons why Obama is a better candidate..and if u say anything about him not being Bush, a republican, etc i will puke

haha....see John Kerry, mr heinz ketchup, i am a veteren,my dad is a vietnam vet and we both hate that guy. I used to think that i hated the government but after serving my country i learned what the government actually is........YOU......the government is a bunch of americans that can't agree on anything at all, thats what the government is you can't just say i hate big government because this is a representative republic, your parents and other adults have voted to elect every official in charge of whatever, there is no 1 group of people sitting in an office labbeled GOVERNMENT. It doesn't work like that, if your that upset, run for public office.

00Accord4cyl

· #55 · Aug 30, 2008

i don't know why you think i am upset with the government..i am not..i am upset with Democrats and how ridiculous their issues are...just makes no sense to me..still waiting on somebody to justify why they like Obama...and i would never run for office...i have much better things to do..and i really don't like politics haha

jeepdrivinjunkie

· #56 · Aug 30, 2008

well there is no point for nismojunkie(my boyfriend) to vote because we are going to cancel eachother out. we've disussed this. im a democrat and hes a republican. so he doesnt want to vote and i do. so thats kinda were hes comin from too. theres no point if we are just voting against each others canidate.

squadbuddy

· #57 · Aug 30, 2008

Then why wouldn't he vote for someone he actually believes in...

shawnpepper

· #58 · Aug 30, 2008

00Accord4cyl said:
i don't know why you think i am upset with the government..i am not..i am upset with Democrats and how ridiculous their issues are...just makes no sense to me..still waiting on somebody to justify why they like Obama...and i would never run for office...i have much better things to do..and i really don't like politics haha

nononono, i was agreeing with you the other talk was for the kid you corrected, my bad

MCarp22

· #59 · Aug 30, 2008

I want a government that is going to do stuff. I'm pretty well in the center as far as my political views go, but i won't vote libertarian or republican.

I really get the impression that, on the whole, libertarians believe rather passively in other people's freedoms, but quite actively in their freedom to pay low taxes and pack heat.

Here's an example of why i'm not interested in the Libertarian party:

The libertarian platfom says: Recognizing that the education of children is inextricably linked to moral values, we would return authority to parents to determine the education of their children, without interference from government.

Translation: let's do away with educational standards. If people want their children taught that the earth is flat, it is not the government's job to set educational standards that say otherwise. Who cares if countries that actually teach children facts determined by, well, factuality, instead of by the marketplace, further and further surpass us economically?

squadbuddy said:
This is why they want gun control, they want to disarm the people.

This really is a non-issue. I don't think any honest citizen would sit down and say "you know, gun crime is cool, we don't need to try and stop it". We're never going to see the population disarmed.

I understand that Obama's stance on guns is that it's a state issue, as the gun laws that are needed in Bronx, NY are a lot different than Cheyenne, WY.

00Accord4cyl said:
Give me some reasons why Obama is a better candidate..

Among other things, he's actually read... no, studied the Constitution.

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squadbuddy

· #60 · Aug 30, 2008

Thank you for your misrepresentation of what the libertarians believe. We aren't all backwoods hicks who just wanna shoot stuff and get away with everything we can. There are a few of us, like me, who are very well educated and can more than hold a great conversation about this stuff. So let's try to clear a few things up...

MCarp22 said:
The libertarian platfom says: Recognizing that the education of children is inextricably linked to moral values, we would return authority to parents to determine the education of their children, without interference from government.

Translation: let's do away with educational standards. If people want their children taught that the earth is flat, it is not the government's job to set educational standards that say otherwise. Who cares if countries that actually teach children facts determined by, well, factuality, instead of by the marketplace, further and further surpass us economically?

OR Let's take the responsibility from rasing the kids away from the teachers and the government. It's not my job to pay for some kid who doesn't want to be in school to be there. Most Libertarians believe that it's not the governments job to educate, but are in support of lowering the cost of privatization of schools, or even having vouchers in order to help the parents pay for their children to get a better education. I went to a private school, and I got a damn fine education, much better than some of my friends who went to public schools, and that was partially cause the teachers actually cared about the students...

Let's see what else...

MCarp22 said:
squadbuddy said:

This is why they want gun control, they want to disarm the people.

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This really is a non-issue. I don't think any honest citizen would sit down and say "you know, gun crime is cool, we don't need to try and stop it". We're never going to see the population disarmed.

I understand that Obama's stance on guns is that it's a state issue, as the gun laws that are needed in Bronx, NY are a lot different than Cheyenne, WY.

You're partially correct. I believe more people need guns in the Bronx, cause they all have them in Cheyenne Wyoming. Plus, did you think that might have a direct influence on the crime rate?

MCarp22 said:
00Accord4cyl said:

Give me some reasons why Obama is a better candidate..

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Among other things, he's actually read... no, studied the Constitution.

Then why would he have basic problems understanding the liberties granted to us over 200 years ago? McCain has been interpreting it for 22 years, and while I'm not a McCain supporter, Obama just doesn't have what it would take to be an effective leader. I'm not here to push my Libertarian stance, I just don't think that most "Democrats" know what they have grouped themselves in with. If more people did their research, there would be no political parties, popular vote would rule, and the best man for the job would win.

And unfortunately I don't believe the best man for the job is running this year.

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